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New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Kibim » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:35 pm

Looks like a pretty little addition to any panel. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one! Don't see any pricing just yet.

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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:51 pm

I’ll be interested to see the pricing too. If I read the blurb on the website correctly, It has a certified WAAS GPS?
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Induna » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:19 am

Kibim wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:35 pm
Looks like a pretty little addition to any panel. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one! Don't see any pricing just yet.

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Rainer mentioned on VAF an indicative price of around $1150 for our local market, so i guess around R15k.

It does have reduced functionality compared to the iEFIS and iEFIS Lite
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:29 am

Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:51 pm
I’ll be interested to see the pricing too. If I read the blurb on the website correctly, It has a certified WAAS GPS?
If that is true then I would be keen too. Size of the unit also please?

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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:54 am

....herr Rainer and his team put out some brilliant products.

......I wonder if we could entice him to put out his choices of the MGL product range in a panel for NTCA and TCA in both the top and basic range currently available, let's use a C210 and a Safari as examples, come Rainer indulge us? :D :D
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:55 am

“WAAS GPS qualified to TSO-C199 SIL/SDA “ is what the site says.not sure if this means ‘certified’.
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by ABW » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:06 am

WAAS improved accuracy to your WAAS GPS is only available in North America and Mexico. Garmin WAAS navigators can fly precision approaches to lower minimums in the States because the FAA developed WAAS improves GPS accuracy to around the required 3 meters.
EASA and Japan are working on there version of WAAS.
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:17 am

ABW wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:06 am
WAAS improved accuracy to your WAAS GPS is only available in North America and Mexico. Garmin WAAS navigators can fly precision approaches to lower minimums in the States because the FAA developed WAAS improves GPS accuracy to around the required 3 meters.
EASA and Japan are working on there version of WAAS.
I am not interested in the WAAS bit as I know we can't use it here, but if the GPS is certified it would suite me as I can the pair it with a mode "S" Trig transponder for A-DSB Out function.

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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by ABW » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:40 am

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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by rainier » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:19 am

Sorry guys - I know as local manufacturer I am not permitted to talk about our products on this forum as it would be deemed commercial.

If the mods will indulge me I will answer the questions posted.

The Price: Yes, about ball park. It's a game changer.

Functionality: Yes it is slightly reduced and simplified compared to regular and lite iEFIS systems but all the normal goodies are there right up to built in AP and engine monitoring for up to four engines. All the usual interfaces to radios, nav radios, tranponders etc.

WAAS GPS: TSO-C199 allows various "layers" of GPS functionality. FAA is actually trying to help. With any of our iEFIS systems including the MX1 the GPS is qualified as legal ADS-B source. Further to that an actual FAA approved GPS to a higher qualification is also available as external GPS module. That's mostly needed for certain use in controlled airspaces in the U.S. only but not really that important. WAAS is indeed not available here in SA. It mostly improves vertical accuracy of the GPS position. The horizontal is excellent with the GPS we are using anyway (it's so good it is spooky).

Regarding usage on certified aircraft: In principle yes but requires mod-forms or STC's. No chance certifying as rules dictate this has to be in country or manufacture or final assembly. That would be here in SA. That would need the CAA. They don't return our queries either so that avenue is closed here.
FAA now allows uncertified EFIS systems in certified aircraft with a general STC (i.e. one per aircraft type - you'd need that anyway even with a certified panel). Not sure if that can be done here yet.

Generally we do not get involved with recommendations on what to install or otherwise physical with actual aircraft. CAA does not allow us touching an aircraft. For that you need an AMO (or AP - not sure anymore) or homebuilders usually take pride in doing this themselves. Generally the AMO will recommend what to use and install. Our range of products is vast now and still steadily increasing so there are always many options.
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:24 am

rainier,

Thanks. What are the dimensions of the unit?

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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by rainier » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:25 am

Size of the MX1 is 7" touch panel display.
Overall size is 120x220x30mm. Depth excludes connectors (one DB25 and six pressure ports).

It's actually the housing of the iEFIS Discovery Lite turned on its side. Worked out beautifully.
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by heisan » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:34 am

ABW wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:40 am
Correct Whirly.

https://www.aeronautical.co.za/ads-b-ma ... uth-africa
That is a bucket full of horse manure designed to trick people into buying expensive equipment that they do not need...

Firstly, the quoted AIC is a proposal which apparently never went beyond proposal stage.

Secondly, WAAS is explicitly NOT required in this proposal (TSO-196a is an acceptable certification standard).

But, TSO-C199 is not acceptable in this proposal, so this new device would not be an acceptable GPS under the current proposal. No idea if it will be acceptable under the final rule though.
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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by 87Juliet » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:38 am

Please excuse my ignorance as I have very little knowledge of systems like this.

I make some assumptions in that the images above are one unit with 4 different modes selected?

Would it make sense or viable to install two of these units side by side for increased "spatial orientation", i.e. Primary Display on the one and GPS/NAV/Engine/Backup on the second? At the indicated ballpark cost would it be viable for, for example, JeanCrous to put two in his "new" Cubby?

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Re: New MGL product : MX1

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:42 am

rainier wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:25 am
Size of the MX1 is 7" touch panel display.
Overall size is 120x220x30mm. Depth excludes connectors (one DB25 and six pressure ports).

It's actually the housing of the iEFIS Discovery Lite turned on its side. Worked out beautifully.
Great, thanks. I am going to have a serious look at it. I see it supports the radios (Garmin GTR) I want to fit but not the transponder(no big deal as the Trig Transponder will be fine).

Could I display the AHRS and map on the same page? How about removing some functionalities during the programming, like the AOA (as I want to use it in a helo)?

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