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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by EDP » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:13 am

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I wonder what they were doing for ten days after their last calibration. Let's hope they got paid.

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I have no doubt that they would have been paid Jim. They would have been paid handsomely, while the local companies that could have done the task for a lot less sit wistfully and watch their lunch being eaten.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:42 am

EDP wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:13 am
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:53 am
I wonder what they were doing for ten days after their last calibration. Let's hope they got paid.

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I have no doubt that they would have been paid Jim. They would have been paid handsomely, while the local companies that could have done the task for a lot less sit wistfully and watch their lunch being eaten.
I do not believe there are any companies in SA that are setup with the testing and aircraft equipment - there may be pilots that are previously experienced in doing it but no planes equipped. The Drone option is not viable either as an option at this stage.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by wesleyVezasie » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:53 am

There are South African companies with the aircraft equipment
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by Volo » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:29 am

I have a question about how they the calibrators fly those DME arcs - I am presuming it cant be done by autopilot ??
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by 117 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:38 am

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I have a question about how they the calibrators fly those DME arcs - I am presuming it cant be done by autopilot ??
With a paper map and a stopwatch Dave... :wink:
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:59 pm

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There are South African companies with the aircraft equipment
Let me know which airframes have the calibration equipment that this BE350 or even our old C550 (ZS-CAR) has - I do not believe there is one in SA.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by GL » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:33 pm

ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:59 pm
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There are South African companies with the aircraft equipment
Let me know which airframes have the calibration equipment that this BE350 or even our old C550 (ZS-CAR) has - I do not believe there is one in SA.
I agree - but one of the local bidders was confident they could have got the plane and the equipment operational in SA within 3 months and not the 7 it took the CAA to get in the Ukrainians.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:17 pm

GL wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:33 pm
ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:59 pm
wesleyVezasie wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:53 am
There are South African companies with the aircraft equipment
Let me know which airframes have the calibration equipment that this BE350 or even our old C550 (ZS-CAR) has - I do not believe there is one in SA.
I agree - but one of the local bidders was confident they could have got the plane and the equipment operational in SA within 3 months and not the 7 it took the CAA to get in the Ukrainians.
I agree and am just stressing the point that you can’t just jump in a King Air with a laptop and do calibrations . It is way more complex.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by EDP » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:50 am

ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:17 pm
GL wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:33 pm
ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:59 pm


Let me know which airframes have the calibration equipment that this BE350 or even our old C550 (ZS-CAR) has - I do not believe there is one in SA.
I agree - but one of the local bidders was confident they could have got the plane and the equipment operational in SA within 3 months and not the 7 it took the CAA to get in the Ukrainians.
I agree and am just stressing the point that you can’t just jump in a King Air with a laptop and do calibrations . It is way more complex.
There is a SA based company that has a King Air fitted with all the required antenna (calibrated, ready to go). They have done initial and recurrent calibration flying. The company uses the services of a UK based calibration company to do the calibration. Their own application to be registered for calibration services in SA has been lying on a desk at SACAA FOR FIVE YEARS!

But, they do not fit the required demographics......
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:47 am

EDP wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:50 am
ACE MAN wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:17 pm
GL wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:33 pm

I agree - but one of the local bidders was confident they could have got the plane and the equipment operational in SA within 3 months and not the 7 it took the CAA to get in the Ukrainians.
I agree and am just stressing the point that you can’t just jump in a King Air with a laptop and do calibrations . It is way more complex.
There is a SA based company that has a King Air fitted with all the required antenna (calibrated, ready to go). They have done initial and recurrent calibration flying. The company uses the services of a UK based calibration company to do the calibration. Their own application to be registered for calibration services in SA has been lying on a desk at SACAA FOR FIVE YEARS!

But, they do not fit the required demographics......
I hear you and it sounds similar to the abandoned efforts of a medivac crowd that tried to get approval from the CAA for their medivac LR55 or 60's and after lots of cash and many years they just gave up and moved off shore. I must say in my ATC experience and what I have seen around the world is that the calibration aircraft are high in demand and are in continuous use as dedicated calibration aircraft and never used as part time calibration and part time charter as to the aircraft you may refer to sitting at Lanseria.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by AnAV8R » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:03 am

If I'm correct, is this not ZS-TAE, first aircraft landing at St Helena airport...and doing their calibration tests :?:
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:34 am

AnAV8R wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:03 am
If I'm correct, is this not ZS-TAE, first aircraft landing at St Helena airport...and doing their calibration tests :?:
Correct , but is it a dedicated equipped and crewed for calibration or is it a charter aircraft?
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by Only » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:03 am

ACE MAN wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:34 am
AnAV8R wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:03 am
If I'm correct, is this not ZS-TAE, first aircraft landing at St Helena airport...and doing their calibration tests :?:
Correct , but is it a dedicated equipped and crewed for calibration or is it a charter aircraft?
Does it matter? If it is charter aircraft they could've required it for calibration. This proof to me that there is a South African company that could've done it a year ago.

My question is, did this company saw opportunity and loaded the price so much that it was better to get a foreign operator in.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:01 pm

Only wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:03 am
ACE MAN wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:34 am
AnAV8R wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:03 am
If I'm correct, is this not ZS-TAE, first aircraft landing at St Helena airport...and doing their calibration tests :?:
Correct , but is it a dedicated equipped and crewed for calibration or is it a charter aircraft?
Does it matter? If it is charter aircraft they could've required it for calibration. This proof to me that there is a South African company that could've done it a year ago.

My question is, did this company saw opportunity and loaded the price so much that it was better to get a foreign operator in.
It matters in the same way as you don't go to an obstetrician to have a tooth pulled - It is a little more complicated doing simultaneous opposite direction approaches at say FAOR to a parallel runway - which I am sure the said operator would be approved for . But Yes if the company in SA is serious they should have been dedicated to be a sole calibration service provider as is the practice in most of the real world.
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Re: Airport ILS calibration

Unread post by ACE MAN » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:03 pm

Only wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:03 am
ACE MAN wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:34 am
AnAV8R wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:03 am
If I'm correct, is this not ZS-TAE, first aircraft landing at St Helena airport...and doing their calibration tests :?:
Correct , but is it a dedicated equipped and crewed for calibration or is it a charter aircraft?
Does it matter? If it is charter aircraft they could've required it for calibration. This proof to me that there is a South African company that could've done it a year ago.

My question is, did this company saw opportunity and loaded the price so much that it was better to get a foreign operator in.
It would be interesting if they priced themselves outside the market - in typical SA fashion I am sure someone would be looking for palms to be well greased in a tender.
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