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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Insane » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:10 pm

It is funny how the USA has adopted 'Basic Med' to help pilots stay in the air and in Africa they are doing the exact opposite. Oh for the love of extreme and total control!
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Chalkie » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:17 am

Golf Tango wrote:
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Funny you say that.... I just got an email from my Doc to say that CAA requires a report from an ophthalmologist for my Lasik surgery from 11 years ago according to the "lasik protocol" annually. All this after passing an eye test 20/20. Where does this end?
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Chalkie » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:18 am

Insane wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:10 pm
It is funny how the USA has adopted 'Basic Med' to help pilots stay in the air and in Africa they are doing the exact opposite. Oh for the love of extreme and total control!
Too true.... :roll: #-o
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by cage » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:55 pm

Insane wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:10 pm
It is funny how the USA has adopted 'Basic Med' to help pilots stay in the air and in Africa they are doing the exact opposite. Oh for the love of extreme and total control!
basic med only applies to recreational pilots and FI's with restrictions on what and who you can fly.
It makes a lot of sense for that sector, though in Africa it would probably get abused.
Basic med doesn't help commercial pilots though.
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Fransw » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:27 pm

cage wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:55 pm
Insane wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:10 pm
It is funny how the USA has adopted 'Basic Med' to help pilots stay in the air and in Africa they are doing the exact opposite. Oh for the love of extreme and total control!
basic med only applies to recreational pilots and FI's with restrictions on what and who you can fly.
It makes a lot of sense for that sector, though in Africa it would probably get abused.
Basic med doesn't help commercial pilots though.
How's your back after the operation old man?
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by cage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:40 pm

Fransw wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:27 pm
How's your back after the operation old man?
I had to give up my dream of being the over 40's men's gymnastics champion :twisted:
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:20 pm

cage wrote:
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Fransw wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:27 pm
How's your back after the operation old man?
I had to give up my dream of being the over 40's men's gymnastics champion :twisted:
He means that other operation :roll:
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by cage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:27 pm

tanglefoot wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:20 pm
He means that other operation :roll:
The personality transplant? Apparently they asked my friends to donate but they didn't have any.
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by tanglefoot » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:51 pm

cage wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:27 pm
tanglefoot wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:20 pm
He means that other operation :roll:
The personality transplant? Apparently they asked my friends to donate but they didn't have any.
Since when do you have friends?
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Fransw » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:07 am

cage wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:40 pm
Fransw wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:27 pm
How's your back after the operation old man?
I had to give up my dream of being the over 40's men's gymnastics champion :twisted:
Haha, I tried a forward roll(the monkeynastics one) a couple of weeks ago and almost broke my back at 7 places! :oops:
It was a serious question about your back. I know its a long walk to freedom after a back op....
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Rooster » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:38 pm

So, are we going to put up a fight about the hearing tests and the need for all the added assessments, or not?
I had to go through some nervous times at the audiologist with my hearing aid needing uncomfortable high adjustments to pass the test.
Not once was I allowed to put my headset on in the test and I don't need the hearing aid when the headset is on in the plane. :?
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Chalkie » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:09 pm

Rooster wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:38 pm
So, are we going to put up a fight about the hearing tests and the need for all the added assessments, or not?
I had to go through some nervous times at the audiologist with my hearing aid needing uncomfortable high adjustments to pass the test.
Not once was I allowed to put my headset on in the test and I don't need the hearing aid when the headset is on in the plane. :?
Today CAA reinstated my Class 2 medical for PPL. One year of tribulations...

Might I say, the CAA AvMed are now listening to reason? Whatever, it is a better outcome than last year...
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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by moosp » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:49 pm

Rooster, I am curious about hearing aids and licence medicals, perhaps you can help.

Do you need to show up with two hearing aids, or just a hearing aid for the ear that is deficient?

I can see how pointless the exercise is of testing with an aid, because as a soon as we put our headset on we turn up the volume to suit. Without the aid.

I used to fly under another CAA with a pilot who in a social environment was as deaf as a post. On the aeroplane with headsets was the only time you could have a normal conversation with him. He had no problem with ATC.

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Re: Deaf Pilots?

Unread post by Tim » Tue May 19, 2020 10:52 pm

Apparently, not all audiologists know about the "CA 67 NEW Form". On the CAA website are eleven CA 67 forms listed, none of them has anything to do with an audiogram, it seems.

http://www.caa.co.za/Pages/Aviation%20M ... lists.aspx

Could somebody post this form here (or a link)?

What is the procedure? Does the audiologist (in this form) confirm your corrected hearing? Based on this, will the medical certificate be endorsed with something like "Pilot must wear hearing aids"?

I can see that CATS 67 speak about corrected vision (and the related endorsement wording that goes into the medical certificate). However, they don't seem to mention that loss of hearing may be corrected. It simply says that an applicant with a hearing loss exceeding XYZ shall be assessed as unfit (CATS 67.2.3.8 ).

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