Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

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Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by EddytheGent » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:53 pm

Hi,

I have been trying to figure out how to start in Aerobatics for some time. I’ve concluded from various advice that buying an Aerobatic Aircraft is the best way to go but I need to do so as a partnership; I can’t justify owning an aircraft outright.

I’m putting out this post to see whether there are others interested in buying an aircraft together, or anyone with an Aerobatic ‘plane that is interested to sell shares.

I’d be looking at Morningstar, FACT, FAFK or FASH most likely. I have a PPL and ~140hrs. I am likely to fly only ~25hrs a year since I have a young family and lots of travel for work, but I don’t want to wait til the kids are grown up to start on this!

Please reply here or PM me if this is of interest!

I’m also keen to hear any more advice from experienced pilots out there!

Thanks,

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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by Fransw » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:07 pm

Hi Eddy, welcome here! Sorry I can't help you with the rest, but look at this nice Decathlon for sale..
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Unread post by SIQ » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:09 pm

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Unread post by Commuting101 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:30 am

I would be interested to know more as well if it is the right aircraft etc.

Currently looking at a very nice RV which may or may not come into fruition.
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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by SuperStallion » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:05 pm

I’m in exactly the same boat w.r.t aerobatics. Would love to start out and have partnership aircraft. But sitting in bloem... Hopefully transferring to CT sometime this year then will be looking at something to fly next year
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Unread post by SIQ » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:31 pm

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Unread post by Commuting101 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:53 am

Hi SIQ,

Would it be possible to post ideas you may have on this post? It may give a few lurkers more of an idea of interest.

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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by Neville Ferreira » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:28 am

We all started by purchasing an aerobatic aircraft of some sort as it is impossible to hire and fly aerobatic aircraft due to the insurance hurdle.

What ever you start with must be an aerobatic capable aircraft like a Rans, RV, decathlon, or highly recommended from personal experience a Yak52.

If you have tailwheel endorsement, then a Pitts is also perfect.

As insurance is getting more stringent, I suggest a nose wheel RV or Yak52, as this is the easier insurance option. Yak52’s are selling around R500K -R650K and always hold their value.

We all started with one and upgraded to something else down the line.

As far as choosing a partner, the ideal partner is the one who does not fly but enjoy the idea of owning an aerobatic aircraft. Good luck finding that person. Personalities play a significant role. Ensure you have as much in the game as the other partner/s. If one damages the aircraft and other partners can not fly, it will upset the relationship. Choose partners with similar experience, in my opinion, if any partners at all.

That said, once the bug bites, it is a wonderful journey to gain experience with the help of highly experienced pilots.

The worst thing you can do is to try and teach yourself, you just do not know what you do not know yet, and there are many such piles of scrap metal dotting the countryside.

The SAC holds ample competitions and training camps throughout the year and around SA.

Why Comps? To get your rating after training and provisional rating, you have to fly in front of a panel of judges. Comps are there to test yourself against your previous scores.

If your personality does not allow for criticism, then aerobatics is not for you. Whenever you fly, you get told every mistake you make as seen from the ground, and whatever you see from the cockpit means zilch.

My first aerobatic training was with late Stu Lithgow in 2004 on Pitts, and later on, after buying a Yak52, I only started with competition aerobatics in 2010. This sport is not for the instant gratification personality as it takes time to grow in the sport and proficiency.
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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by Commuting101 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:11 am

Hi Neville,

Thank you for the insight. All makes a lot of sense.

Thank you.
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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by EddytheGent » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:49 pm

Hi All,

Sorry, been a bit hectic since Lockdown was announced!

Thanks for the detailed post Neville! Your advice on potential nose wheel aerobatic A/C from an insurance POV is interesting, esp. since I actually don’t have a tail wheel rating yet!

Any thoughts on a Yak18t ? I’ve done some research and for my personal ‘mission’ it could be ideal: Fun, characterful A/C with great versatility - could it be useful for learning aerobatics and allow for the odd longer touring flight with family too?

In the end any A/C choice would be a group decision, informed by availability, but interested in your thoughts on suitability for learning Aeros!

I’m going to PM you all, so please look out for that!

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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by Neville Ferreira » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:30 am

Yak 18T is ideal for allowing the syndicate members to fly all together while performing a roll and loop while on your way to Swellendam annual comp.

Riaan Prinsloo competed for years with his 18T. Only limitation is the amount of oil required when negative G’s are flown as half of the engine oil will be on the belly as it does not have the same inverted oil system as the 52 has.
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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by olirindis » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:46 am

RV7A........that’s your bird..
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Re: Starting an Aerobatic Aircraft Syndicate in Cape Town

Unread post by EddytheGent » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:44 am

To the guys who may be interested in partnership, I tried to PM you, but not sure it’s working.

Suggest we have a chat, please feel free to message me on WhatsApp: oh seven one 4 22 eight fife tree fower

If you check PM inbox, my messages may be there, not completely sure how it works?!

Ed

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