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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by ACE MAN » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:16 pm

I thought the journos would be on top of this.
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by cape2211 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:31 pm

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Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:46 pm
G-ZAPX = a Titan Airways B757-200 is on her way to St Helena (at this very moment: flying Gran Canaria-Ascension Island).
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-zapx
Was this aircraft carrying any passengers/cargo? I ask because Comair was unable to safely operate a 737-800 to St Helena - I would have thought that a 757 is considerably more challenging given the short runway and wind sheer conditions?
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by ACE MAN » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:25 pm

cape2211 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:31 pm
expatAMS wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:46 pm
G-ZAPX = a Titan Airways B757-200 is on her way to St Helena (at this very moment: flying Gran Canaria-Ascension Island).
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-zapx
Was this aircraft carrying any passengers/cargo? I ask because Comair was unable to safely operate a 737-800 to St Helena - I would have thought that a 757 is considerably more challenging given the short runway and wind sheer conditions?
Yes , it was a charted repatriation flight AFAIK. Secondly it is a Medium weight class aircraft with heavy wake turbulence category, not that much bigger than a B738. A larger heavier aircraft handles W/shear and turbulence better than a smaller aircraft in general (i have had a B737 do a wind-shear go around 4nm ahead of my 777 in Narita and we barely had a +5/-5 shear). Next is the brakes on large aircraft can be exceptional in comparison to the efficiency of the lighter single bogey 737 (just look at the max landing weight vs max take off weight of a B737/B757 and B777.)
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by beckers » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:35 am

cape2211 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:31 pm
expatAMS wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:46 pm
G-ZAPX = a Titan Airways B757-200 is on her way to St Helena (at this very moment: flying Gran Canaria-Ascension Island).
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-zapx
Was this aircraft carrying any passengers/cargo? I ask because Comair was unable to safely operate a 737-800 to St Helena - I would have thought that a 757 is considerably more challenging given the short runway and wind sheer conditions?
Comair was able to safely operate a 737-800 to St Helena.
What Comair was not able to do was safely operate a regular Scheduled flight within the time restrictions of the rest of the operation and within the contract penalties imposed for air turn backs. It was not commercially viable.

A charter has more flexibility with timing windows.
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by Swartbok » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:54 am

beckers wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:35 am
cape2211 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:31 pm
expatAMS wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:46 pm
G-ZAPX = a Titan Airways B757-200 is on her way to St Helena (at this very moment: flying Gran Canaria-Ascension Island).
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-zapx
Was this aircraft carrying any passengers/cargo? I ask because Comair was unable to safely operate a 737-800 to St Helena - I would have thought that a 757 is considerably more challenging given the short runway and wind sheer conditions?
Comair was able to safely operate a 737-800 to St Helena.
What Comair was not able to do was safely operate a regular Scheduled flight within the time restrictions of the rest of the operation and within the contract penalties imposed for air turn backs. It was not commercially viable.

A charter has more flexibility with timing windows.
I would have thought that those details would’ve been considered and/or negotiated before giving St Helena a bash.
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by SERTAO » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:33 pm

Thanks for the Video
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by nevilledp » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:51 am

Awesome video ! Thanks for sharing
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by Mark Lawrence » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:56 pm

Very impressive video - I suspect that probably only RB211 or PW2040 powered 757's could do this - I doubt if a PW2037 powered machine would be able to have the same performance on that runway.
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by Glenn L » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:03 pm

This video of the earlier Titan A318 visit is also pretty interesting.

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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by hatman » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm

Becker’s sadly Comair deemed St Helena to be too dangerous for commercial operations. It is certainly viable for commercial operation as SA Airlink have proved.
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by GL » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:53 am

hatman wrote:
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Becker’s sadly Comair deemed St Helena to be too dangerous for commercial operations. It is certainly viable for commercial operation as SA Airlink have proved.
I think this statement needs qualifying - not too dangerous - but too challenging to maintain a profitable schedule given the chances of turn backs and cancellations. And the Comair use of 737-800s did not help with its greater runway requirement and larger loads needed to break-even. So Airlink's smaller gauge aircraft with less restrictive runway requirements were a better solution.
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Re: Flights to the island of St Helena

Unread post by EDP » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:52 am

GL wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:53 am
hatman wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm
Becker’s sadly Comair deemed St Helena to be too dangerous for commercial operations. It is certainly viable for commercial operation as SA Airlink have proved.
I think this statement needs qualifying - not too dangerous - but too challenging to maintain a profitable schedule given the chances of turn backs and cancellations. And the Comair use of 737-800s did not help with its greater runway requirement and larger loads needed to break-even. So Airlink's smaller gauge aircraft with less restrictive runway requirements were a better solution.
St. Helena is a British 'dependency'. Part of the operating arrangement is that HM Government provides financial back-up. Not sure of the exact details, but despite the onerous operational requirements, Airlink would NOT be operating this route if they were going to make a loss.

One can only hope that international air links to SA are soon restored, as the UK operators will take advantage of the opportunity to capitalise on Airlink's hopefully temporary absence from this route?
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