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Re: Airline fleet changes

Unread post by Airplaneguy9 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:14 pm

Very exciting time for expansion, even with the still-recent collapse of Comair

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Unread post by twr1 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am

I see Qantas will start flying Perth To Johannesburg from 1 nov with a A330 not sure how many days a week
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Unread post by GLF4 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:10 pm

twr1 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am
I see Qantas will start flying Perth To Johannesburg from 1 nov with a A330 not sure how many days a week
3x weekly it seems.

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Unread post by Kelerei » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:39 am

twr1 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am
I see Qantas will start flying Perth To Johannesburg from 1 nov with a A330 not sure how many days a week
3x weekly. Also, YSSY-FAOR going daily from 30 October.
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Unread post by evanb » Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:06 am

twr1 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am
I see Qantas will start flying Perth To Johannesburg from 1 nov with a A330 not sure how many days a week
Given the retirement of the B744, QF are still below capacity to/from South Africa, even after the addition of PER-JNB!
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Re: Airline fleet changes

Unread post by henkhugo » Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:25 am

evanb wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:06 am
twr1 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am
I see Qantas will start flying Perth To Johannesburg from 1 nov with a A330 not sure how many days a week
Given the retirement of the B744, QF are still below capacity to/from South Africa, even after the addition of PER-JNB!
I wish they would start Sydney - Cape Town.
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Unread post by evanb » Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:48 pm

henkhugo wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:25 am
I wish they would start Sydney - Cape Town.
It's been mentioned quite a bit at Mascot (QF HQ) in the last few years. The challenge for QF is that the right sized and most capable aircraft in their fleet for the route, B787-9 is unusually premium heavy (really set up for very high yielding routes like the MEL-PER-LHR non-stop and SYD/MEL-LAX/SFO/DFW/YVR) that it might be a risk on SYD/MEL-CPT. It could be possible on the A332 which QF are running on a similar distance between BNE-LAX at the moment, but it's coming with big penalties, and that is before the big EDTO hit that they would take on SYD/MEL-CPT. The A332 in BNE-LAX is more of a square peg in a round whole temporary fix for keeping an existing route going amidst their aircraft shortage (retired B744s and delayed deliveries of B789s and measured return of A380s).
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Re: Airline fleet changes

Unread post by Airplaneguy9 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:17 pm

evanb wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:48 pm
henkhugo wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:25 am
I wish they would start Sydney - Cape Town.
It's been mentioned quite a bit at Mascot (QF HQ) in the last few years. The challenge for QF is that the right sized and most capable aircraft in their fleet for the route, B787-9 is unusually premium heavy (really set up for very high yielding routes like the MEL-PER-LHR non-stop and SYD/MEL-LAX/SFO/DFW/YVR) that it might be a risk on SYD/MEL-CPT. It could be possible on the A332 which QF are running on a similar distance between BNE-LAX at the moment, but it's coming with big penalties, and that is before the big EDTO hit that they would take on SYD/MEL-CPT. The A332 in BNE-LAX is more of a square peg in a round whole temporary fix for keeping an existing route going amidst their aircraft shortage (retired B744s and delayed deliveries of B789s and measured return of A380s).
I hear that CPT is one of the destinations that Project Sunrise aims to serve alongside LHR and JFK. Could Qantas' upcoming modified A35Ks do the route?
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Unread post by evanb » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:32 am

Airplaneguy9 wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:17 pm
I hear that CPT is one of the destinations that Project Sunrise aims to serve alongside LHR and JFK. Could Qantas' upcoming modified A35Ks do the route?
Indeed, hence my statement that it's been mentioned at Mascot. They certainly don't need the A35K for it. They can operate it easily with the B789. SYD-CPT is actually shorter than SYD-JNB, however the EDTO diversion might make it similar distance. The A35K will take over some B789 flying (e.g. MEL-PER-LHR) that will make the B789 potentially available for SYD-CPT. There are still questions with regards to the yield potential of the route and the aircraft density that will affect the decision.

The B789 is very premium heavy. QF's A35K will be even less dense and premium heavy than the B789. To put it in context, QF's A35K will have fewer economy seats, but more business and premium economy seats than the B789, plus first class! The relative configurations (with B744 and A380 added for comparison):

A332: 27C 0W 224Y
B789: 42C 28W 166Y
A35K: 6F 52C 40W 140Y
B744: 0F 58C 36W 270Y
A380: 14F 70C 60W 341Y

Where it might be more likely is if QF take (some of) the B788s back from Jetstar when Jetstar receive the A321XLRs. This has been speculated and discussed, but a decision is still a way off.
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Re: Airline fleet changes

Unread post by henkhugo » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:37 pm

Great Cicle map says the following:

Cape Town (CPT)
Cape Town International Airport
Distance
11011 km
Time (est.)
12h 8m
Sydney (SYD)
Sydney Kingsford Smith International Airport
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Unread post by evanb » Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:19 am

henkhugo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:37 pm
Great Cicle map says the following:

Cape Town (CPT)
Cape Town International Airport
Distance
11011 km
Time (est.)
12h 8m
Sydney (SYD)
Sydney Kingsford Smith International Airport
Here is the great circle map of both with EDTO 330 area shaded. One can see that SYD-CPT is marginally shorter at 5,945 nm than SYD-JNB at 5,963 nm, but would require an EDTO diversion that would make it longer.

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Unread post by Trent772B » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:38 pm

evanb wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:19 am
henkhugo wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:37 pm
Great Cicle map says the following:

Cape Town (CPT)
Cape Town International Airport
Distance
11011 km
Time (est.)
12h 8m
Sydney (SYD)
Sydney Kingsford Smith International Airport
Here is the great circle map of both with EDTO 330 area shaded. One can see that SYD-CPT is marginally shorter at 5,945 nm than SYD-JNB at 5,963 nm, but would require an EDTO diversion that would make it longer.

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What EDTO value did you use?
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Unread post by evanb » Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:54 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:38 pm
What EDTO value did you use?
330. QF have EDTO 330 certified by CAA on B787-9.

Interestingly, QF try to get as far south as possible on the westbound, often getting further south of the GC route and pretty much using that corner of the EDTO 330 blackout area near Heard Island and McDonald Islands as a waypoint. I suspect the same for a Cape Town routing. At that point, the two closest diversion points (roughly equidistant) are Mauritius and Busselton or Perth in Western Australia. Dare I say that at that specific point, you're the most remote aircraft in the world. There is no other scheduled commercial flights that I can think of that operates to such an extreme EDTO/ETOPS 330 limit.

During the Australian border closure, QF operated an incredible repatriation flight EZE-DRW that was probably a little more extreme skirting the EDTO/ETOPS 330 border on the other side of Antartica. They went much further south than SYD-JNB/CPT goes though since the EDTO/ETOPS 330 borders are a little more generous that side due to Christchurch, New Zealand and Ushuaia, Argentina and Punta Arenas, Chile. The flight deck crew live tweeted the whole flight, it was quite fascinating!
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Unread post by FoxTROT » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:19 am

Back to fleet changes, which is what this thread is supposed to be about….

I see Flysafair brought ZS-SJO (ex Mango and before that SAA) into service yesterday. So that’s one of the 5 aircraft they are bringing into service over the next few months. The next I guess will be ZS-ZWV and EI-ENY which I assume may become ZS-FGF? Any confirmation on which the other two airframes will be?
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Unread post by Trent772B » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:09 am

evanb wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:54 am
Trent772B wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:38 pm
What EDTO value did you use?
330. QF have EDTO 330 certified by CAA on B787-9.

Interestingly, QF try to get as far south as possible on the westbound, often getting further south of the GC route and pretty much using that corner of the EDTO 330 blackout area near Heard Island and McDonald Islands as a waypoint. I suspect the same for a Cape Town routing. At that point, the two closest diversion points (roughly equidistant) are Mauritius and Busselton or Perth in Western Australia. Dare I say that at that specific point, you're the most remote aircraft in the world. There is no other scheduled commercial flights that I can think of that operates to such an extreme EDTO/ETOPS 330 limit.

During the Australian border closure, QF operated an incredible repatriation flight EZE-DRW that was probably a little more extreme skirting the EDTO/ETOPS 330 border on the other side of Antartica. They went much further south than SYD-JNB/CPT goes though since the EDTO/ETOPS 330 borders are a little more generous that side due to Christchurch, New Zealand and Ushuaia, Argentina and Punta Arenas, Chile. The flight deck crew live tweeted the whole flight, it was quite fascinating!

Ok my silly. I though you were talking about an A330 EDTO sector and I was wondering what EDTO value you were using. 🤦🏻‍♂️
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