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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:31 pm

...just thought about it, this is to the V2 SAA? So when do they plan to start flying, and will Cyrill relax the restrictions to the point that makes it worth for tourists to come - our clowns still differentiate between a tourist and a traveller - for clarity, a tourist is someone comming into the country and uses establishments approved by GRN #-o

....if not, put me down for an easter miscarriage!
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Whirly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:14 pm

I will go with stillborn and some idiot trying to raise the afterbirth! #-o :roll:

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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by RobertsL » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:00 pm

These last two comments must be the most disrespectful and insensitive remarks I have ever read on avcom. A miscarriage or a stillbirth must be two of the hardest things a woman can go through. How can you use such a painful experience on a public forum, KNOWING there are women who read this. Your vocabulary as well as your imagination needs some serious attention if this is your go-to for an analogy. Utterly disgusted. I am reporting you both.
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...just thought about it, this is to the V2 SAA? So when do they plan to start flying, and will Cyrill relax the restrictions to the point that makes it worth for tourists to come - our clowns still differentiate between a tourist and a traveller - for clarity, a tourist is someone comming into the country and uses establishments approved by GRN #-o

....if not, put me down for an easter miscarriage!
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:14 pm
I will go with stillborn and some idiot trying to raise the afterbirth! #-o :roll:

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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by cage » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 pm

RobertsL wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:00 pm
These last two comments must be the most disrespectful and insensitive remarks I have ever read on avcom.
You obviously haven’t been reading much on avcom :lol:

If you get offended by this then you should probably unplug your internet router and sign up to become amish.
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Whirly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:40 pm

RobertsL wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:00 pm
These last two comments must be the most disrespectful and insensitive remarks I have ever read on avcom. A miscarriage or a stillbirth must be two of the hardest things a woman can go through. How can you use such a painful experience on a public forum, KNOWING there are women who read this. Your vocabulary as well as your imagination needs some serious attention if this is your go-to for an analogy. Utterly disgusted. I am reporting you both.
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:31 pm
...just thought about it, this is to the V2 SAA? So when do they plan to start flying, and will Cyrill relax the restrictions to the point that makes it worth for tourists to come - our clowns still differentiate between a tourist and a traveller - for clarity, a tourist is someone comming into the country and uses establishments approved by GRN #-o

....if not, put me down for an easter miscarriage!
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:14 pm
I will go with stillborn and some idiot trying to raise the afterbirth! #-o :roll:

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Report? #-o Nice first post! If you don't like what we say, don't read or visit here. As far as I know, the word "stillborn" is often used for things (businesses, airlines etc.) that have no chance of succeeding. You have lots of people to report, better hurry. :lol:

Maybe stop trolling, how is that for an idea?

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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Diesel-3 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Stillborn is a commonly used term outside of the medical profession...

Nothing to see here, move along
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Roger » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:19 pm

Diesel-3 wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm
Stillborn is a commonly used term outside of the medical profession...

Nothing to see here, move along
Thanks for all the reports. I think this is how the mods view it. As a figure of speech.

From dictionary.com:
[ineffectual from the beginning; abortive; fruitless:
a stillborn plan of escape.]
Now back to the topic.
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:49 pm

RobertsL wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:00 pm
These last two comments must be the most disrespectful and insensitive remarks I have ever read on avcom. A miscarriage or a stillbirth must be two of the hardest things a woman can go through. How can you use such a painful experience on a public forum, KNOWING there are women who read this. Your vocabulary as well as your imagination needs some serious attention if this is your go-to for an analogy. Utterly disgusted. I am reporting you both.
.....well Linda Roberts, sorry that you have been reminded about a life altering episode by my vocabulary, maybe best not to compare everything against the explicit meaning they represent but to allow a sound mind to accomodate other views and uses thereoff. As noted by previous posters, this is not a place for trolling or pushing any agendas, the topic at hand is a terminally sick national airline, been kept on life support by a defunct regime with the hard earned tax monies of millions - to whom those funds can be the differance between surviving or not! So please just, just....
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Slam and Go » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:49 am

The state of SAA is a handy exemplar of the nation as a whole. Something has got to give.

I just hope that the SAA training department can keep making lemonade, for lack of a better euphemism.
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by southside » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:10 am

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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Only » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:04 am

OUTA is urging South Africans to boycott SAA.

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/s ... 53.article
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by danie.e » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:28 am

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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by NKruger » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:33 am

I just cannot understand why the Government is so absolutely hell-bent on keeping SAA alive. Nowhere in any of the hundreds of SAA related comments, responses and strategies published by the Government has a sensible and compelling reason been given why our fiscus remains to the (seemingly endless) disposal of the SAA.

What are we not seeing here?
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Only » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:10 am

NKruger wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:33 am
I just cannot understand why the Government is so absolutely hell-bent on keeping SAA alive. Nowhere in any of the hundreds of SAA related comments, responses and strategies published by the Government has a sensible and compelling reason been given why our fiscus remains to the (seemingly endless) disposal of the SAA.

What are we not seeing here?
I am willing to speculate here but this speculation and I have not check the facts. I am also assuming a corrupt free SAA(which is I believe is the main issue).

There might be a bilateral agreement with a country like for example Brazil where SAA provides a direct flight between South Africa and Brazil and in return South Africa benefits by getting some commodity cheaper or something like that.

The other option is to make travel to South Africa more accessible which boost the travel industry and is good for the economy but in the current climate that does not make sense unless they are thinking ahead.

But like I said none this does not make sense to me.
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Re: SAA in Business rescue

Unread post by Volo » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:57 am

NKruger wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:33 am
I just cannot understand why the Government is so absolutely hell-bent on keeping SAA alive. Nowhere in any of the hundreds of SAA related comments, responses and strategies published by the Government has a sensible and compelling reason been given why our fiscus remains to the (seemingly endless) disposal of the SAA.

What are we not seeing here?
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I think its a little simpler than you may think.
Starting with Thabo Mbeki who set out on a mission to put South Africa as the lead nation in Africa with his agenda at the AOU to show the world that we would save Africa from itself . He had delusions of grandeur about South Africa,s importance and used SAA to link the continent with uneconomic routes and services . For our present government they simply cant take the loss of face that the collapse of SAA has brought on us . In their eyes the loss of stature as a country and being relegated to being a second class state in Africa is simply unbearable for them .
Then there is fact that the government has always used SAA as a transformation tool to bring what they have themselves described as rare skills by training black pilots in particular . In 25 years they have only managed to train something like 50 black pilots out of the total compliment of something like 550 pilots they once had - rather dismal achievement at best even with their race biased employment practices .
Then after all this and the R10 billion they will still not have an airline - no planes - no money - no routes and probably no passengers as I for one will never fly with them .
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