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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by E816 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:31 am

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With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
Getting off topic, but RK, correct me if I'm wrong (because I don't know from first hand experience but have only heard), but isn't the piston engine more suitable than a turbine for game work, do to turbine lag?
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Jack Welles » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am

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With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
:D now, now, Rotor Kop, we've had this discussion before. The H300 is a perfectly good game helo with 3 blades! :wink: :lol:
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:22 am

E816 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:31 am
Rotor kop wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:30 pm
With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
Getting off topic, but RK, correct me if I'm wrong (because I don't know from first hand experience but have only heard), but isn't the piston engine more suitable than a turbine for game work, do to turbine lag?
Yes for sure due to the quick power changes made on a lot of the manouvers. The turbine does not respond quick enough (up or down), whereas the piston is immediate. Rotor overspeeds and underspeed are the problem with turbine. However they do do the job but a piston is preferred.
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:23 am

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am
Rotor kop wrote:
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With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
:D now, now, Rotor Kop, we've had this discussion before. The H300 is a perfectly good game helo with 3 blades! :wink: :lol:
My bad. Yes you are 100% correct, the H269/300 is more than capable, but due to personal reasons it is second on my list :twisted:
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by excolonial » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:59 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:30 pm
With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
:D now, now, Rotor Kop, we've had this discussion before. The H300 is a perfectly good game helo with 3 blades! :wink: :lol:
H300 only has correlator, and no governor or am I talking ze nonsense again? If so I would rather an R22 for any work where constant power changes are required. Although here again I am sure superior skills/experience can mitigate the difference?
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:15 pm

excolonial wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:59 am
Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am
Rotor kop wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:30 pm
With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
:D now, now, Rotor Kop, we've had this discussion before. The H300 is a perfectly good game helo with 3 blades! :wink: :lol:
H300 only has correlator, and no governor or am I talking ze nonsense again? If so I would rather an R22 for any work where constant power changes are required. Although here again I am sure superior skills/experience can mitigate the difference?
Yes it does, but you get used to it quickly. I had to fly the R44 last week in howling winds chasing roan antelope without a governor as the pickup sensor in the mag on the ERPM broke.
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Jack Welles » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:23 pm

excolonial wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:59 am
Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am
Rotor kop wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:30 pm
With regards to the alo head. Yes i would definitely choose a 3 blade chopper over a 2 blade for what i do with it. However there are currently no competitive sized helicopters like the R44 and R22 currently, apart from that cambri G2 thing but in my opinion is way too expensive to use in the cut throat business am in (Game).
:D now, now, Rotor Kop, we've had this discussion before. The H300 is a perfectly good game helo with 3 blades! :wink: :lol:
H300 only has correlator, and no governor or am I talking ze nonsense again? If so I would rather an R22 for any work where constant power changes are required. Although here again I am sure superior skills/experience can mitigate the difference?
:D Some people would argue that it could even be an advantage 8)

A governor can't anticipate the need for more power. No matter how small it may be there is a lag. The demand input has to be there before it reacts (but it's pretty bloody good for most purposes!). Once you're familiar with other systems (all the B47's I flew - excluding the soloy, of course - has nothing, not even a correlator) you'll find that you instinctively anticipate the need for more power and that makes it easier for the helo to cope with the sort of abrupt changes required in game work.

Ag work, for example, is different and a governor works just fine. The control inputs are much slower and smoother and a governor is brilliant for that.
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Whirly » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:51 pm

None of those that made a comment about turbines have obviously ever flown an Alo II or III.

I have flown the R22, R44, Hughes 300C and both the Alo II and III. While I agree that most turbines would not be ideal for this job, it has nothing to do with turbine lag, as the governor on the II and III is nothing short of spectacular. :D

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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:29 pm

Whirly wrote:
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None of those that made a comment about turbines have obviously ever flown an Alo II or III.

I have flown the R22, R44, Hughes 300C and both the Alo II and III. While I agree that most turbines would not be ideal for this job, it has nothing to do with turbine lag, as the governor on the II and III is nothing short of spectacular. :D

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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Whirly » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:31 pm

Do they shoot back? :?

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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:25 pm

No not those impala :lol: these ones jump in any direction very fast :twisted:
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Re: Turbine Helicopter hourly operating cost

Unread post by gerryheli » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:48 am

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I know but it happens.
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Hugo. I have a few hours in R22 and R44. I have flown in all conditions except snow. I fly them in winds up to 40kts (and higher if just flying from point A to B) when most pilots wont even open the hangar doors. My point is that any aircraft has something that you as a pilot has to ensure that you do NOT fly the aircraft outside its envelope, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY DO NOT FLY IT OUTSIDE YOUR PERSONAL ENVELOPE!!!! I will fly a R22 or R44 in any conditions 99% of the time. I have never had a sign of mast bumping because i am always aware of the conditions that start it,and immediately rectify it before it develops. If unsure then slow down (below 70kts) and it is almost then impossible to get mast bumping. It is not a Robinson thing, any 2 blade chopper can get mast bumbing. Check out the old days in cobra and huey choppers....many crashed before they figured out what the problem was. Give me (personally) a R22 or R44 any day for what i do (harsh flying maneuvers and conditions).
Totally agree with you.Well said,I feel exactly the same.
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