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Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Jayson v Schalkwyk » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:45 pm

Our company has a issued callsign and each aircraft is assigned a particular number.

Recently, while repositioning from FAGC to FALA, the AFIS advised that since the flight was VFR we were not to use the callsign, but the aircraft reg, and should we wish to use the callsign we were to call briefing andf file a new flightplan. This despite having a filed flightplan in the system with a reference number. Wanting to avoid a further dealy, we changed to registration.

Are there any formal rules regarding when and when not to use reg vs callsign? I dont see why it should matter if you are flying on a vfr or ifr flightplan.

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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Chris » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:04 pm

43 Air School use call signs for all their training flights - VFR and IFR - never a problem
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Jayson v Schalkwyk » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:38 pm

That's exactly what I figured, but didn't have the heart to try explain that to the lady in the tower over the frequency. That's why I am looking for something formal, so I can pass it on.
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by ATC101 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:29 pm

If you have filed a flight plan there is no reason you are not allowed to use a callsign.
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Dougie » Fri May 11, 2012 2:16 pm

As long as you are on a Filed FPL you can use your callsign. If you have however not filed a FPL you must use your registration.

Perhaps a polite complaint mail with details would solve this. (although I believe this has been queried recently - contact details below if not resolved)
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Jayson v Schalkwyk » Fri May 11, 2012 10:37 pm

Hi Allen,

Thanks for the feedback. We did have a fltplan in teh system, ref number and all. I do recall it was filed as IFR. Would it matter though, if we flew across VFR on callsign? Hell, when we position to FAGC from FALA in the early mornings, FALA has no hassle with us going vfr on our callsign. Dont see why the lady at FAGC would not let us do the same thing, in reverse in the afternoon.

Any further advice is appreacited

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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Director » Sat May 12, 2012 4:39 pm

Police fly on their callsign every day without ever filing a flight plan...
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by tanglefoot » Sun May 13, 2012 10:06 pm

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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by tanglefoot » Sun May 13, 2012 10:08 pm

Director wrote:Police fly on their callsign every day without ever filing a flight plan...
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Jayson v Schalkwyk » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:56 pm

Hi Again,

This has raised its head again. What do I need to do to rectify this once and for all?

Any help appreciated
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Thndr_strck » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:31 pm

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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Swampdonkey » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:13 am

Just as a matter of interest is your callsign a registered ICAO one or by local arrangement only?
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Jayson v Schalkwyk » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:03 am

It is ICAO derived
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Kotze101 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:51 am

On the file2fly website when creating a new flight plan field 7 calls for the "Aircraft Identification" and next to it is a "REG" field which requires a 1 - 9 digit entry.

What exactly does one enter there?
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Re: Callsign versus registration

Unread post by Aquila » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:03 am

Kotze101 wrote:On the file2fly website when creating a new flight plan field 7 calls for the "Aircraft Identification" and next to it is a "REG" field which requires a 1 - 9 digit entry.

What exactly does one enter there?
Thats required when you file your flight plan under a callsign other than your registration. You enter your registration without the "-" e.g. ZSXXX and you can then click "REG Fill" and it should enter a REG/ZSXXX in Field 18. If it doesn't manually fill in REG/ZSXXX in Field 18.
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