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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by heisan » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:54 pm

Well, something caused 63,000 more deaths than usual so far in the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... pass-63000

Perhaps they are all due to lack of medical care due to hospital shutdowns :twisted: ?
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by fairy flycatcher » Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:56 pm

heisan wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:54 pm
Well, something caused 63,000 more deaths than usual so far in the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... pass-63000

Perhaps they are all due to lack of medical care due to hospital shutdowns :twisted: ?
Try the well documented impact of:
Excessive stress
High fear level
Lack of social contact / loneliness / abandonment
Lack of fresh air
Lack of physical activity
Suicide
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by rare bird » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:37 am

there seems to be quite a strong movement developing in the USA of doctors providing "second opinions" and saying that the continued lockdown does not support medical / clinical wisdom (a triage system should have been applied, without bureaucratic interference) (and no, this is not conspiracy stuff - I would have posted it on the other thread if it was)
https://www.secondopinionproject.com/sign39610500

extract from their letter to the president:
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients.
The downstream health effects of deteriorating a (triage) level are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error.
It is impossible to overstate the short, medium, and long-term harm to people’s health with a continued shutdown.
Losing a job is one of life’s most stressful events, and the effect on a person’s health is not lessened because it also has happened to 30 million other people. Keeping schools and universities closed is incalculably detrimental for children, teenagers, and young adults for decades to come.
The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse.
Because the harm is diffuse, there are those who hold that it does not exist. We, the undersigned, know otherwise."

in the letter sent, there were over 1200 signatures of qualified Medical Physicians attached.

I believe there are over 3.6 million other signatures
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by SNIPER » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:40 pm

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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Falafel » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:03 pm

fairy flycatcher wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:56 pm
heisan wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:54 pm
Well, something caused 63,000 more deaths than usual so far in the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... pass-63000

Perhaps they are all due to lack of medical care due to hospital shutdowns :twisted: ?
Try the well documented impact of:
Excessive stress
High fear level
Lack of social contact / loneliness / abandonment
Lack of fresh air
Lack of physical activity
Suicide
I know of at least 3 people who have since lockdown:

1. Gone onto antidepressants
2. One has had an emotional breakdown - cant be hospitalised (family wont do it) because then he is not allowed any visitors
3. Mentioned suicidal thoughts

Some of us here have been saying that lockdown is not a solution, and the constant fixation with the figures post and pre lockdown justify the lockdown they do not justify societal health... its a very dangerous situation...

Children will be changed in terms of their thinking forever because of this... due to direct and indirect issues (parental stress, abuse etc)...
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by paulw » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:35 pm

Falafel wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:03 pm

I know of at least 3 people who have since lockdown:

1. Gone onto antidepressants
2. One has had an emotional breakdown - cant be hospitalised (family wont do it) because then he is not allowed any visitors
3. Mentioned suicidal thoughts

Some of us here have been saying that lockdown is not a solution, and the constant fixation with the figures post and pre lockdown justify the lockdown they do not justify societal health... its a very dangerous situation...
Not sure where I read it....
The person (in South Africa) mentioned that he lost 6 commercial tenants due to lock down...business closed.
One then committed suicide, one is now so broke that he cannot even remove his equipment from the premises.
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by SNIPER » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:56 pm

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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by rare bird » Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:05 pm

any idea how much they paid for the scooters?
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by GERMAN » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:29 am

On sabc news they said R10 100 000 for 100 scooters which works out to R101 000 each.
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Falafel » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 am

GERMAN wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:29 am
On sabc news they said R10 100 000 for 100 scooters which works out to R101 000 each.
Yet again leadership in many African countries show their true colours, all about lining their own pockets than looking after their people... and people wonder why no one believes the lockdowns are well intentioned...
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Fransw » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:22 am

Falafel wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 am
GERMAN wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:29 am
On sabc news they said R10 100 000 for 100 scooters which works out to R101 000 each.
Yet again leadership in many African countries show their true colours, all about lining their own pockets than looking after their people... and people wonder why no one believes the lockdowns are well intentioned...
Not a bad deal imo. It depends on the make but a good scoot can set you back more than R110k+ easy. That's without equipment. Not sure what the role of the scooters are?..
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by heisan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:34 am

Fransw wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:22 am
Falafel wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 am
GERMAN wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:29 am
On sabc news they said R10 100 000 for 100 scooters which works out to R101 000 each.
Yet again leadership in many African countries show their true colours, all about lining their own pockets than looking after their people... and people wonder why no one believes the lockdowns are well intentioned...
Not a bad deal imo. It depends on the make but a good scoot can set you back more than R110k+ easy. That's without equipment. Not sure what the role of the scooters are?..
This looks like the same model. Definitely the same branding:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 38637.html

USD 1000 each with free shipping. Most government contracts require a full 2 years of support/maintenance/logistics included, so unit cost to the supplier will likely be around R40k each.
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Fransw » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:53 am

heisan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:34 am
Fransw wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:22 am
Falafel wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:02 am


Yet again leadership in many African countries show their true colours, all about lining their own pockets than looking after their people... and people wonder why no one believes the lockdowns are well intentioned...
Not a bad deal imo. It depends on the make but a good scoot can set you back more than R110k+ easy. That's without equipment. Not sure what the role of the scooters are?..
This looks like the same model. Definitely the same branding:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 38637.html

USD 1000 each with free shipping. Most government contracts require a full 2 years of support/maintenance/logistics included, so unit cost to the supplier will likely be around R40k each.
Eish! Don't know what to say..
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Falafel » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:06 am

Fransw wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:53 am
heisan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:34 am
Fransw wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:22 am


Not a bad deal imo. It depends on the make but a good scoot can set you back more than R110k+ easy. That's without equipment. Not sure what the role of the scooters are?..
This looks like the same model. Definitely the same branding:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 38637.html

USD 1000 each with free shipping. Most government contracts require a full 2 years of support/maintenance/logistics included, so unit cost to the supplier will likely be around R40k each.
Eish! Don't know what to say..
Nothing to say.... same old same old... arrests for walking on the beach but not for swindling around R600k in money during a crisis so that someone can drink champagne and live the good life at the expense of fellow man... Ramaphosa has in my view nil credibility any longer and going back I was one of the ones who gave him the benefit of the doubt...

End the lockdown now and let us all get on with it... this is BS and a total waste of time and money...
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:48 am

Falafel wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:06 am
Fransw wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:53 am
heisan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:34 am


This looks like the same model. Definitely the same branding:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 38637.html

USD 1000 each with free shipping. Most government contracts require a full 2 years of support/maintenance/logistics included, so unit cost to the supplier will likely be around R40k each.
Eish! Don't know what to say..
Nothing to say.... same old same old... arrests for walking on the beach but not for swindling around R600k in money during a crisis so that someone can drink champagne and live the good life at the expense of fellow man... Ramaphosa has in my view nil credibility any longer and going back I was one of the ones who gave him the benefit of the doubt...

End the lockdown now and let us all get on with it... this is BS and a total waste of time and money...
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