Seneca accident at Stellenbosch 2020-02-08

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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by spokes » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:07 pm

I feel very sorry for the owner. However I am shure the aircraft now belongs to the insurance company. Does anybody know who the owner or insurer is.
Please PM or mail me stefpapie@gmail.com

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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Backmarker » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:00 am

Whirly wrote:
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Didn't somebody put a Baron in a field after take-off from Lanseria a few years ago because a seatbelt was outside the door and was casing a huge noise banging against the door? :?

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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by flypiper » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:00 am

Hi Spokes ,

Pm me got what youre looking for .

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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by ZAFuel » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:24 pm

I imported ZS-MAM from the USA in 1988, flew her for a while and then went on to a Seneca III, MAM was a beaut. A/C.

Sad to see her go like this as I know the subsequent owners invested a fair amount in her over the years.

Aft Cargo and passenger door popping open are a "non-event", but, we do not know what happened yet.....
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by spokes » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:52 am

Hi Flypiper,
My PM's get stuck in the draft box.
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Deanw » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:23 pm

spokes wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:52 am
My PM's get stuck in the draft box.
Draft or Outbox? PMs stay in the Outbox until the recipient reads it.
How come every time my ship comes in I'm at the airport?

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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by spokes » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:02 pm

Thanx Dean. Outbox. Problem sorted :)
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Steve » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:23 pm

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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Walter105 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:26 pm

Orher than the surprise factor of the door popping open it didn't seem to have any impact on controlability of the airplane.

Would a right hand turn not just have closed it again allowing a circuit and landing?

Either way the pilot made a split second decision and everyone walked away unscathed, second guessing in hindsight seems irrelevant.
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Dobbs » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:41 pm

Would any balanced turn have zero effect on the airstream over the opened door?

I was wondering if slide slipping was an option, but then again why, the plane apparently is totally controllable with the door open.
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:17 pm

....come to think of it, we do not know what was loaded in that compartment that could have gone through the prop during flight, and he did??
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Peblehead » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:18 pm

V5 - LEO wrote:
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....come to think of it, we do not know what was loaded in that compartment that could have gone through the prop during flight, and he did??
Very good point =D>
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:52 pm

Peblehead wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:18 pm
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:17 pm
....come to think of it, we do not know what was loaded in that compartment that could have gone through the prop during flight, and he did??
Very good point =D>
or the fwd cargo door itself, ripping off at the hinge,and going thru the prop
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by Burner » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:55 pm

Interesting similar accident that happened in the UK.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/163847
Date: 17-MAY-1998
Time: 18:30
Type: Silhouette image of generic PA34 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Piper PA-34-200T Seneca II
Owner/operator: The Draycottt Seneca Syndicate Ltd
Registration: G-BRHJ
C/n / msn: 34-8070214
Fatalities: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 5
Other fatalities: 0
Aircraft damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Category: Accident
Location: Cotswold Airport, Kemble, Cirencester, Gloucestershire - United Kingdom
Phase: Initial climb
Nature: Private
Departure airport: Cotswold Airport, Kemble, Gloucestershire (EGBP)
Destination airport: Cotswold Airport, Kemble, Gloucestershire (EGBP)
Investigating agency: AAIB
Narrative:
Written off (damaged beyond repair) 17 May 1998 when crashed shortly after take off from Cotswold Airport, Kemble, Cirencester, Gloucestershire. All five persons on board (pilot and four passengers) were uninjured. According to the following extract from the official AAIB report into the accident:

"The pilot had planned to conduct a pleasure flight from Kemble Airfield with four passengers on board. The meteorological conditions were excellent with no significant cloud or weather, visibility greater than 10 km, a temperature of +18 degrees C and a surface wind of 040 degrees/10 knots. The runway in use at Kemble was Runway 09 which has a tarmac surface.

Shortly after take off, at about 100 feet, the baggage door opened; this door is located on the left side of the aircraft nose The pilot elected to complete a tear-drop turn to land on Runway 27 despite the tailwind; this runway has an available landing distance of 2,039 metres. After climbing to a height of 400 feet and completing the turn he shut down the left engine.

At this stage the aircraft was still approximately 30° off the runway heading and with a high ground speed. The pilot interpreted this as a high approach speed and allowed the air speed to reduce. At a height estimated to be between 50 and 20 feet the stall warning horn sounded. The pilot immediately increased power on the right engine and simultaneously applied full right rudder. The rudder application was excessive and the aircraft touched down heavily with the nose still yawing to the right.

The undercarriage collapsed on touchdown and aircraft slid across the runway and came to a halt on the grass after causing substantial damage to the airframe. The pilot and his passengers vacated the aircraft uninjured and unassisted".

The AAIB report confirms that the Piper Senecas was an "Aircraft damaged beyond economic repair". As a result, the registration G-BRHJ was cancelled by the CAA on 13 January 1999 as "destroyed"
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Re: Seneca accident at Stellenbosch this morning

Unread post by TOFFS » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:51 pm

I can’t be 100% certain as the video is fairly pixelated but it does appear that the handle is in the open position and that the pins are retracted.

A good practice is to lock the baggage door as this will prevent any inadvertent rotation of the door handle.
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