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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by wingnutzster » Tue May 04, 2021 11:44 am

richard C wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 11:29 am
No Fly No More wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 11:08 am
I hereby apologise to everyone concerned, Starlite Aviation and all of the Avcom community for foolishly thinking that the chopper could've been attempting to fly under the bridge. It just amazed me at the time that the crash happened so close to the bridge.
I used the words "I hope", and not "they were probably" or anything else to suggest that they were.
But I've been properly "drawn and quartered" so I feel somewhat embarrassed. Wish I could've deleted the post but I couldn't.
I was a microlight pilot of many hours and I saw MANY foolish people get seriously injured or lose their lives doing "ludicrous" things.
I did issue an RIP in my post, so once again, sincere condolences to the young aviators families, and RIP to the two people who lost their lives in what seems like an unavoidably tragic incident.
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We have seen accidents where the unimaginable has happened, where a scion of GA has committed some act of poor airmanship that its is hard to reconcile.

I think in every accident that is hard to understand, the mind will explore all options, no matter how seemingly absurd or unlikely. We always hope that the worst case scenario is the last possibility to talk about, so I think there is an unspoken 'etiquette' on the Avcom Academy that although we should and do speculate on all probable causes, we tend not to speak aloud (unless unavoidable) those possible causes that reflect badly on the character of the pilot.

Don't beat yourself up too hard - you had a thought, it was not well-received. It's okay.
Very well put Richard - this should be one of the disclaimers on avcom
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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue May 04, 2021 12:11 pm

No Fly No More wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 11:08 am
I hereby apologise to everyone concerned, Starlite Aviation and all of the Avcom community for foolishly thinking that the chopper could've been attempting to fly under the bridge. It just amazed me at the time that the crash happened so close to the bridge.
If it means anything, I used the words "I hope", and not "they were probably" or anything else to suggest that they were.
But I've been properly "hanged, drawn and quartered" so I feel somewhat embarrassed. Wish I could've deleted the post but I couldn't.
I was a microlight pilot of many hours and I saw MANY foolish people get seriously injured or lose their lives doing "ludicrous" things.
I did issue an RIP in my post, so once again, sincere condolences to the young aviators families, and RIP to the two people who lost their lives in what seems like an unavoidably tragic incident.
Geoff
Good for you, NFNM =D> =D> =D> It takes guts to make a humble public apology. I think most of us know that there was no harm or disrespect intended.

Starlite is an excellent operation with a reputation for doing a good job and turning out well-trained, safe pilots. My thoughts are with them all. It's a hell of a tough time for a flying school when this happens.

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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Swartbok » Tue May 04, 2021 2:01 pm

jimdavis wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:11 pm
No Fly No More wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 11:08 am
I hereby apologise to everyone concerned, Starlite Aviation and all of the Avcom community for foolishly thinking that the chopper could've been attempting to fly under the bridge. It just amazed me at the time that the crash happened so close to the bridge.
If it means anything, I used the words "I hope", and not "they were probably" or anything else to suggest that they were.
But I've been properly "hanged, drawn and quartered" so I feel somewhat embarrassed. Wish I could've deleted the post but I couldn't.
I was a microlight pilot of many hours and I saw MANY foolish people get seriously injured or lose their lives doing "ludicrous" things.
I did issue an RIP in my post, so once again, sincere condolences to the young aviators families, and RIP to the two people who lost their lives in what seems like an unavoidably tragic incident.
Geoff
Good for you, NFNM =D> =D> =D> It takes guts to make a humble public apology. I think most of us know that there was no harm or disrespect intended.

Starlite is an excellent operation with a reputation for doing a good job and turning out well-trained, safe pilots. My thoughts are with them all. It's a hell of a tough time for a flying school when this happens.

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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Walter105 » Tue May 04, 2021 7:17 pm

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Unread post by Ray W » Tue May 04, 2021 8:15 pm

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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Whirly » Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 pm

Where would the tip of a R22's main rotor blade hit the tail during a strike?

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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Rotor kop » Tue May 04, 2021 8:25 pm

Whirly wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 pm
Where would the tip of a R22's main rotor blade hit the tail during a strike?

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I dont think it would hit the boom? TR strike during low speed will not be fun. High speed will be better as the stabilizers help with direction.
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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Pitot » Wed May 05, 2021 7:33 am

Rotor kop wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:25 pm
Whirly wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 pm
Where would the tip of a R22's main rotor blade hit the tail during a strike?

Whirly.
I dont think it would hit the boom? TR strike during low speed will not be fun. High speed will be better as the stabilizers help with direction.
If you lose the gearbox and tail rotor
the cg will be so far out you'd tumble?
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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed May 05, 2021 12:37 pm

Pitot wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:33 am
Rotor kop wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:25 pm
Whirly wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:19 pm
Where would the tip of a R22's main rotor blade hit the tail during a strike?

Whirly.
I dont think it would hit the boom? TR strike during low speed will not be fun. High speed will be better as the stabilizers help with direction.
If you lose the gearbox and tail rotor
the cg will be so far out you'd tumble?
2 up...quite possible yes.
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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by cage » Wed May 05, 2021 12:54 pm

I posted a video of a new, certified, 22 SIM in rotary forum.
This link starts where they do a simulated loss of tail rotor in flight, 1-up you can see why it isn't survivable, would be more dramatic with 2 crew.
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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Kotze101 » Wed May 05, 2021 1:19 pm

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Looking at this image there doesn't seem to be much damage to the reeds towards the rear of the aircraft where one would expect there to be. Could this perhaps indicate that it impacted in a tail-first orientation? Does anyone know whether or not the wreckage has been recovered yet and in what state it was?
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Re: Helicopter Crash Umgeni N2 Interchange

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Wed May 05, 2021 3:03 pm

The SAPS and others had to keep locals from carting bits of wreckage away to the scrap dealer :shock:
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