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Re: ZS - PME Accident Wattville - 3 Deceased RIP

Unread post by Peregrine » Sat May 26, 2018 6:26 am

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Peregrine wrote:Yet another pathetic report. Who writes these reports? Who is the incompetent official who releases the embarrassment for publication?
The head of department. Icao don't care about quality, they care about process. Process followed..
So then the Head of Department is either incompetent or just doesn’t care, or probably both. Disgraceful. As I’ve said before, it’s a national embarrassment.
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Re: ZS - PME Accident Wattville - 3 Deceased RIP

Unread post by cage » Sat May 26, 2018 7:39 am

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cage wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Yet another pathetic report. Who writes these reports? Who is the incompetent official who releases the embarrassment for publication?
The head of department. Icao don't care about quality, they care about process. Process followed..
So then the Head of Department is either incompetent or just doesn’t care, or probably both. Disgraceful. As I’ve said before, it’s a national embarrassment.
I have his email address if you'd like to make contact.
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Unread post by Peregrine » Sat May 26, 2018 8:13 am

Please let me have the address Cage.
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Unread post by cage » Sat May 26, 2018 8:59 am

Peregrine wrote:Please let me have the address Cage.
Peter Mashaba Mashabap@caa.co.za
His executive secretary is (was) Olga Setlhake SetlhakeO@caa.co.za.
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Re: ZS - PME Accident Wattville - 3 Deceased RIP

Unread post by savas » Sat May 26, 2018 9:51 am

cage wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Please let me have the address Cage.
Peter Mashaba Mashabap@caa.co.za
His executive secretary is (was) Olga Setlhake SetlhakeO@caa.co.za.
Pergrine i am totally behind you on this. Pleae add my signature or name to your letter, or maybe even a collective letter of objection, AOPA-SA etc.
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Unread post by Peregrine » Sat May 26, 2018 11:48 am

cage wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Please let me have the address Cage.
Peter Mashaba Mashabap@caa.co.za
His executive secretary is (was) Olga Setlhake SetlhakeO@caa.co.za.
Thanks Cage

Email sent to Mr Mashaba. I have offered to assist in reviewing CAA Accident Reports free of charge.

Let’s see......
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Re: ZS - PME Accident Wattville - 3 Deceased RIP

Unread post by jimdavis » Sat May 26, 2018 12:43 pm

Peregrine wrote:
cage wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Please let me have the address Cage.
Peter Mashaba Mashabap@caa.co.za
His executive secretary is (was) Olga Setlhake SetlhakeO@caa.co.za.
Thanks Cage

Email sent to Mr Mashaba. I have offered to assist in reviewing CAA Accident Reports free of charge.

Let’s see......
Peregrene - I applaud your offer. It is indeed very admirable. =D> =D> =D>

Why do I have a nasty feeling they wouldn't want a culturally different outsider telling them what to do?

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Re: ZS - PME Accident Wattville - 3 Deceased RIP

Unread post by HJK 414 » Sat May 26, 2018 2:03 pm

jimdavis wrote:......

Why do I have a nasty feeling they wouldn't want a culturally different outsider telling them what to do?

jim
:lol: :lol: .......... Jim, very well described .....
I was struggling to formulate similar thoughts .....

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Unread post by Arch » Sat May 26, 2018 7:39 pm

Congratulations to the ever-vigilant grammar police.
On a technical point, how much runway is required to take off at only 240 pounds under max with a DA of 7800'? Is it possible from Brakpan? Or is that inconsequential, considering that the accident report contains grammatical errors, compiled by someone whose first language isn't English?
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Unread post by jimdavis » Sat May 26, 2018 10:15 pm

Arch wrote:Congratulations to the ever-vigilant grammar police.
On a technical point, how much runway is required to take off at only 240 pounds under max with a DA of 7800'? Is it possible from Brakpan? Or is that inconsequential, considering that the accident report contains grammatical errors, compiled by someone whose first language isn't English?

Don't you think that a competent accident investigator should put this vital information in his or her report?

Actually I think your question was answered in the first and third posts on page 11 of this thread.

It this were the CAA's only dismal report one might excuse it, but it is simply another in a long line of reports that fail to achieve their objective - as stated on each report: "...this report was compiled in the interest of the promotion of aviation safety and the reduction of the risk of aviation accidents..."

Stated more clearly - one one has to ask how this report promotes aviation safety?

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Unread post by HJK 414 » Sat May 26, 2018 10:20 pm

jimdavis wrote:........Stated more clearly - one one has to ask how this report promotes aviation safety?

jim
Perhaps stated as relevant - are the questions:

How much insight into aviation does the investigator have ? - and why is so much of his incompetence not noticed by his superiors ?

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Unread post by jimdavis » Sun May 27, 2018 8:02 am

HJK 414 wrote:
jimdavis wrote:........Stated more clearly - one one has to ask how this report promotes aviation safety?

jim
Perhaps stated as relevant - are the questions:

How much insight into aviation does the investigator have ? - and why is so much of his incompetence not noticed by his superiors ?

JK
That's the thing JK - it gets okayed and signed off by his superiors.

I am reliably informed by someone who works at CAA that most of the investigators (if not all) do not even have a PPL

In my opinion that whole section is a total waste of taxpayer's money.

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Unread post by Peblehead » Sun May 27, 2018 11:58 am

jimdavis wrote:
HJK 414 wrote:
jimdavis wrote:........Stated more clearly - one one has to ask how this report promotes aviation safety?

jim
Perhaps stated as relevant - are the questions:

How much insight into aviation does the investigator have ? - and why is so much of his incompetence not noticed by his superiors ?

JK
That's the thing JK - it gets okayed and signed off by his superiors.

I am reliably informed by someone who works at CAA that most of the investigators (if not all) do not even have a PPL

In my opinion that whole section is a total waste of taxpayer's money.

jim
Yes Jim.....but your missing one point? It creates jobs and that feeds the BBE quota system. So the system works on paper.
Saying the investigators don't even hold a PPL is rich, one would think that in senior positions within the CAA or Airline administration they would have an experienced ( not accomplished) airline type of person or at least a seasoned ATP?

In our game we don't have a night nurse advising professors on surgical procedures, but we are nor being compensated with tax payers money
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Unread post by Byron Lutzke » Mon May 28, 2018 5:30 pm

https://www.google.co.zm/amp/s/amp.redd ... t_density/

Thought I would post this for a discussion on Cherokee 6s taking off with a DA above 7000ft.
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Unread post by savas » Mon May 28, 2018 7:10 pm

As my home field is FABB, i am particularly interested in this accident and its actual reason/outcome of investigation.
This report is not worth the time and paper its printed on in my honest opinion.
I hope Peregrine at least gets a reaction to his complaint sent to CAA.
This crash has NIL to do with DA as Karl surely had intimate knowledge of BB and its quirks with a 5300ft elevation.
My money is on some mechanical issue causing partial engine output.

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