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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:57 pm

So you did write the poem, Robbie .... sorry, Brian?

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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by ebribur » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:50 pm

It was given to me from the universe so I just transcribed it.
The secret of free energy lies in 3..6..9!
My energy will ebb and flow
Pulse me fast then pulse me slow
Fly me high then fly me low
To use my power don’t be silly
Just spin me round elliptically

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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by ebribur » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:28 am

Full of sorrow, full of grief
She whispers secrets like a thief
On this journey you’ll be fine
Just remember number nine

Fly me north, then head me east
Head me south, then fly me west
For moons and moons I’ve spun you round
By these rules your world is bound

My energy will ebb and flow
Pulse me fast then pulse me slow
To use my power don’t be silly
Just spin me round elliptically

North = 360 = 3 + 6 + 0 = 9
East = 090 =0 + 9 + 0 = 9
South = 180 = 1 + 8 + 0 = 9
West = 270= 2 + 7 + 0 = 9
North East = 045 = 0 + 4 + 5 = 9
South West = 225 = 2 + 2 + 5 = 9
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Fly me high then fly me low
To use my power don’t be silly
Just spin me round elliptically

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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:07 am

Thread creep, but the digits of reciprocals always add up to the same number. For instance the opposite end of runway 17 is 35, both add up to 8.

It's a useful trick to check if you have made a mistake working out a reciprocal.

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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Silvaire » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:34 pm

Bearcat wrote:
Silvaire wrote:Believe it was an E55, does anybody know the registration?
ZS-HEO
Thanks for that, remember ZS-HEO when it was almost new, red black and white in those days, flew it once or twice, lovely Baron, small airframe but with the 58 motors, it was very sweet, sorry to hear of the sad ending.
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Bleriot » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:13 am

I spoke to a woman who said the aircraft crashed on her property or just behind it. According to her they heard an engine spluttering and then a few seconds later the impact. Her husband went to help and found that the guys had managed to get out of the wreck themselfs and were walking around. The husband helped were he could and even helped one of them call a sister to tell her to tell their mom about the crash. She also said that the pilot did a great job of not hitting a house and a stable that were in the flight path. She also said that the deaths were mainly from internal injuries from the fire. I did not want to ask too many questions as this was all at work as the lady works with my wife and she had just been saying how traumatic it was.
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Ferdil » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:45 pm

I see the CAA report is out http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and%20 ... ZS-HEO.pdf

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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Orthin Opter » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:21 pm

Ferdil wrote:I see the CAA report is out http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and%20 ... ZS-HEO.pdf

Feedback?
For starters," "The fuselage was almost completely consumed by fire from the forward pressure bulkhead “forward of the rudder pedals” to the aft-pressure bulkhead.""

AFAIK, the Baron 55 is not pressurised, therefore no 'pressure bulkheads.' Seems the CAA guys/gals are trying to up their game with techno-speak; of which they do not know much.

"The aircraft was destroyed by the impact and post fuel-fed fire." Why not just 'post impact fire?' Why concentrate on fuel-fed?

"During the ordeal the both wing tanks raptured and the hot engines ignited the fuel which then burnt a big tree and maize situated in a private property."

The fuel tanks 'raptured' and then burnt a 'big tree and maize' WOW?

"Scrutiny in it showed that he held an instrument rating Grade A." Perhaps I am dumb, please explain that one to me?

I guess they are trying to up the standard, but hardly NTSB standards,
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by tanglefoot » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:23 pm

Ferdil wrote:I see the CAA report is out http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and%20 ... ZS-HEO.pdf

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Interesting
The impact with the trees caused severe damage to the aircraft;
and the structure disintegrated as it travelled forward. The airframe came to rest
inverted facing the direction it came from at about 360 degrees.
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Rotor kop » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:53 pm

tanglefoot wrote:
Ferdil wrote:I see the CAA report is out http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and%20 ... ZS-HEO.pdf

Feedback?
Interesting
The impact with the trees caused severe damage to the aircraft;
and the structure disintegrated as it travelled forward. The airframe came to rest
inverted facing the direction it came from at about 360 degrees.
The author should apply for a job at ann7
But TF in SA we have 720 degree compasses - this is banana land remember....
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by GL » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:23 pm

This is beyond disgraceful!
Why bother doing accident reports at all if this is the standard. This is an insult to anyone who flies and to those who died in particular.
The accident report is riddled with basic errors - the 360 degree turn. It says it crashed south of FAGC, yet it crashed north, as shown in the map.
The accident happened 2.24 NM South of FAGC at GPS co-ordinates determined
to be S25°57'6.26" E028° 8'53.75" at elevation of about 5 611 feet above mean sea
level.
Why show a pic of the rescue helicopter?
Why is the bottom pages of the report dated Nov 2015 = 18 months before the accident?
It quotes a POH for a turbocharged a/c! viz:
"The aircraft flight manual (AFM) specified that the take-off and maximum continuous power setting was 38.0 inches of mercury (in. Hg) of manifold pressure
and 2,700 engine revolution per minute (RPM). The normal cruise climb power
setting was 34.0 in. Hg and 2,400 rpm. When leaning the mixture, the power was
not to exceed the maximum cruise power settings of 33.0 in. Hg and 2,400 RPM
Yet AFAIK that was a non-turbo Baron.
But worst of all - no attempt was made to identify the obvious culprit - the fuel boost pumps. This accident is very similar to the Wonderboom one 7 or so years ago - have the investigators learned nothing? What position were the pump switches in??? It was dark - with a low time pilot - an easy mistake to make - and likely to have been the cause of the post impact fire.
This is without excuse! - No wonder everyone thinks the CAA are beyond useless.
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by tanglefoot » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:26 pm

Rotor kop wrote:
tanglefoot wrote:
Ferdil wrote:I see the CAA report is out http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and%20 ... ZS-HEO.pdf

Feedback?
Interesting
The impact with the trees caused severe damage to the aircraft;
and the structure disintegrated as it travelled forward. The airframe came to rest
inverted facing the direction it came from at about 360 degrees.
The author should apply for a job at ann7
But TF in SA we have 720 degree compasses - this is banana land remember....
I think he /she was trying to say that the fuselage was pointing north whereas it crashed in a southerly direction.

Flying circuits east of GC is totally normal apparently. I also like the bit about the witness that is inside her house and saw the "fire blaze", whatever that is.

4 people died (2 pilots, 1 crew and 1 pax ) but only three people on board. I'm going to bed now. How thick do you need to be to get a job at CAA?
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by happyskipper » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:38 pm

Rotor kop wrote:
tanglefoot wrote:
Ferdil wrote:I see the CAA report is out http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and%20 ... ZS-HEO.pdf

Feedback?
Interesting
The impact with the trees caused severe damage to the aircraft;
and the structure disintegrated as it travelled forward. The airframe came to rest
inverted facing the direction it came from at about 360 degrees.
The author should apply for a job at ann7
But TF in SA we have 720 degree compasses - this is banana land remember....
Surely if it was facing the direction from which it came, that would be 180 degrees?
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Orthin Opter » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:42 pm

happyskipper wrote:Surely if it was facing the direction from which it came, that would be 180 degrees?
Perhaps they got that bit correct as the aircraft ended up inverted facing the direction it came from?

I agree with Gl, 38" MAP etc and pressure bulkheads in a B55??? WTF #-o
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Re: Twin down in Glen Austin Midrand

Unread post by Orthin Opter » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:55 pm

GL wrote:This is beyond disgraceful!
Why bother doing accident reports at all if this is the standard. This is an insult to anyone who flies and to those who died in particular.
The accident report is riddled with basic errors - the 360 degree turn. It says it crashed south of FAGC, yet it crashed north, as shown in the map.
The accident happened 2.24 NM South of FAGC at GPS co-ordinates determined
to be S25°57'6.26" E028° 8'53.75" at elevation of about 5 611 feet above mean sea
level.
Why show a pic of the rescue helicopter?
Why is the bottom pages of the report dated Nov 2015 = 18 months before the accident?
It quotes a POH for a turbocharged a/c! viz:
"The aircraft flight manual (AFM) specified that the take-off and maximum continuous power setting was 38.0 inches of mercury (in. Hg) of manifold pressure
and 2,700 engine revolution per minute (RPM). The normal cruise climb power
setting was 34.0 in. Hg and 2,400 rpm. When leaning the mixture, the power was
not to exceed the maximum cruise power settings of 33.0 in. Hg and 2,400 RPM
Yet AFAIK that was a non-turbo Baron.
But worst of all - no attempt was made to identify the obvious culprit - the fuel boost pumps. This accident is very similar to the Wonderboom one 7 or so years ago - have the investigators learned nothing? What position were the pump switches in??? It was dark - with a low time pilot - an easy mistake to make - and likely to have been the cause of the post impact fire.
This is without excuse! - No wonder everyone thinks the CAA are beyond useless.
EISH #-o #-o #-o
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