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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by heisan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:39 pm

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g....then Boeing decided to break that tradition/philosphy with MCAS & screwed the pooch bigtime.
Automated trim/stability augmentation has been part of the computer system since the 737 Classic, and has always had full manual reversion. MCAS was just another trigger algorithm for the same basic software and hardware, and all the manual reversion systems were still in place.

From a pilots point of view, the only difference was that a failure of the other automated trim systems would result in continuous runaway trim, while some MCAS failure modes would result in an intermittent runaway trim.

(Oops - one other functional change - MCAS bypasses the column cutout - which is quite important from a pilots point of view, as in some existing trim runaway situation, any significant column movement would stop the trim too.)
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Unread post by jimdavis » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:55 pm

From Avweb:

Boeing believes it could resume deliveries of its grounded 737 MAX model as early as December, according to a progress report released by the company on Monday. The report also outlined five key milestones the company needs to reach with the FAA before the aircraft returns to service in the U.S. The first, an FAA eCab simulator certification session, was completed last week. Boeing emphasized that it is still targeting the final quarter of 2019 for certification of the aircraft’s updated flight control software.

“Based on this schedule, it is possible that the resumption of MAX deliveries to airline customers could begin in December, after certification, when the FAA issues an Airworthiness Directive rescinding the grounding order,” Boeing said. “In parallel, we are working towards final validation of the updated training requirements, which must occur before the MAX returns to commercial service, and which we now expect to begin in January.”

The milestones still to be accomplished include a “multi-day simulator session with airline pilots to assess human factors and crew workload,” an FAA certification flight test, submission of the “final certification deliverables and artifacts” to the FAA and a simulator training evaluation by the Joint Operational Evaluation Board (JOEB). Last week, both Southwest and American Airlines pushed the expected return to service dates for their MAXs to March 2020. The MAX was grounded in March 2019 after the fatal crashes of Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302.
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Unread post by tansg » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:19 am

Seems like their customers are not as confident as they are.

From Flight Global
American pushes 737 Max service re-entry to March

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ch-462111/

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American and Southwest postpone Boeing 737 MAX return to service

https://www.aerotime.aero/clement.charp ... to-service
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Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:58 pm

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Unread post by ddevos » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:24 am

From the photos on Airliners.net it seems every newly completed 737 MAX still undergoes its usual test flight, does that mean the grounding doesn't apply to these test flights?
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Unread post by biffvj » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:21 am

By 22 October Boeing had flown over 800 test flights sorting out the glitches. Only commercial flights grounded.
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Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:21 pm

737Max return to service Feb/March 2020
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -schedule/
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Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:16 pm

A comprehensive analysis =D>
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Unread post by Imhotep » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:27 pm

An excellent news report that make sense of the accident.
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Unread post by eddy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:28 pm

I see it is reported that Boeing has fired Dennis Muilenburg.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50893490

"The board of directors decided that a change in leadership was necessary to restore confidence in the company moving forward as it works to repair relationships with regulators, customers, and all other stakeholders," Boeing's statement said.
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Unread post by heisan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:52 pm

Preliminary report is out.

Not much new, but some clear details on various aspects of the accident:

http://www.aib.gov.et/wp-content/upload ... 202020.pdf
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