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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:57 pm

So apparently there have been 5 A5 crashes — from a fleet of 100-110. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

The usual story here. Experienced pilot, hundreds of hours in type and yet still gets it wrong...
One wonders who was flying.. the prospective client or the salesman? Lots of pressure to show off the aircraft?
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:34 pm

Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:57 pm
So apparently there have been 5 A5 crashes — from a fleet of 100-110. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

The usual story here. Experienced pilot, hundreds of hours in type and yet still gets it wrong...
One wonders who was flying.. the prospective client or the salesman? Lots of pressure to show off the aircraft?
Which accident are you talking about Mike?

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Sideslip » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:19 am

Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:57 pm
So apparently there have been 5 A5 crashes — from a fleet of 100-110. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

The usual story here. Experienced pilot, hundreds of hours in type and yet still gets it wrong...
One wonders who was flying.. the prospective client or the salesman? Lots of pressure to show off the aircraft?
5 sounds about right but my suspicion is that the ICON A5 in NOT ending up in experienced hands at all. Rather those with lots of money and very little experience. If you have info that proves otherwise please do share.

The marketing suggests the aircraft is foolproof and therefore very safe - the $390 000 price tag for a fully decked out version
Puts the aircraft well out of reach of your average hands on stick n rudder pilot. This is a toy for those that are not used to being told how to do things and believe the rules don’t apply to them.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Sideslip » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:32 am

heisan wrote:
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They recently celebrated their 110th airframe sold. I would not be surprised if 15 of those are already written off...
I think it may have been 110 deliveries. They took close on 2000 deposits well before production started. The marketing (and receipt of deposits) started probably 5 or 6 years (or more) prior to them making the first delivery.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by CWS » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:10 am

Orthin Opter wrote:
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Korrek, nuff said... Looks like OSH but I guess all little lakes look the same...
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Didn’t happen on lake Winnebago (OSH) it happened on Little Field lake which is east of Lake Michigan. It’s not that far away though, so not sure if it was the same one operating out of Winnebago during AirVenture?
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:22 am

jimdavis wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:34 pm
Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:57 pm
So apparently there have been 5 A5 crashes — from a fleet of 100-110. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

The usual story here. Experienced pilot, hundreds of hours in type and yet still gets it wrong...
One wonders who was flying.. the prospective client or the salesman? Lots of pressure to show off the aircraft?
Which accident are you talking about Mike?

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This one. Was apparently a demo flight
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:17 am

Mrb13676 wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:22 am
jimdavis wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:34 pm
Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:57 pm
So apparently there have been 5 A5 crashes — from a fleet of 100-110. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

The usual story here. Experienced pilot, hundreds of hours in type and yet still gets it wrong...
One wonders who was flying.. the prospective client or the salesman? Lots of pressure to show off the aircraft?
Which accident are you talking about Mike?

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This one. Was apparently a demo flight
Thanks Mike. He is certainly not behaving like an experienced pilot with hundreds of hours on type.

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by p38 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:26 am

Another angle, shows clearly he stalled before clipping the trees.

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Wingnutter » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:59 am

Aeroplane was doing its best not to bite considering the abuse it was given.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by vindog » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:56 pm

Started the take off run cross wind and looks like a lot of flap for the take off?
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by mnmodels » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:00 pm

Agree with all posts...real sad for the company. I think they need a change in marketing...

The pilot and pax were just a passenger as soon as it hit the down wind at the top of trees...not easy to plane a boat in choppy waters...would think a plane the same...

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by PO » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:07 pm

jimdavis wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:17 am
Thanks Mike. He is certainly not behaving like an experienced pilot with hundreds of hours on type.

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From https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/communi ... st-2767147
Yet I believe the pilot in this case is an ATP with ASEL, AMEL, and ASES ratings and is also a CFI. He is also a regional sales manager for Icon.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Winchman » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:43 pm

PO wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:07 pm
jimdavis wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:17 am
Thanks Mike. He is certainly not behaving like an experienced pilot with hundreds of hours on type.

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From https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/communi ... st-2767147
Yet I believe the pilot in this case is an ATP with ASEL, AMEL, and ASES ratings and is also a CFI. He is also a regional sales manager for Icon.
Quite ridiculous the amount of absolute drivel spoken in that thread. Some very squiff views on the basics
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:00 pm

PO wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:07 pm
jimdavis wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:17 am
Thanks Mike. He is certainly not behaving like an experienced pilot with hundreds of hours on type.

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From https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/communi ... st-2767147
Yet I believe the pilot in this case is an ATP with ASEL, AMEL, and ASES ratings and is also a CFI. He is also a regional sales manager for Icon.
Are you sure you are not talking about the very first Icon crash?

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Kortbroek » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:11 pm

Am I the only thinking he also didn't use all the "runway" available to him? Looks like he started his takeoff from somewhere in the middle of the lake?
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