RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Darren » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:52 am

Airwayfreak wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:48 am
Darren wrote:
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Going ahead and landing on a taxiway was poor airmanship.
Not the first nor the last time this has happened. Most major airport's taxiways are the size of regional airprit's runways so he can be forgiven. At the end of the day nobody died. Errors happen on a daily basis in the airline industry and the average man in the street does not even get to hear about them. This is nothing but a storm in a teacup as someone mentioned earlier
Sure, and I don't believe he should be punished beyond what would normally be the case were there not so much public attention on this.

However his claim of not being in the wrong at all, as expressed to Erika Gibson for her article, should not be accepted.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:05 pm

Darren wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:52 am
However his claim of not being in the wrong at all, as expressed to Erika Gibson for her article, should not be accepted.
Not quite sure that Erika got his explanation right either if she got the CAA's written response so badly wrong. I feel for the pilot. Landing at an international airport as a non-professional pilot is daunting. The pressure can be enormous and we all know that pressure affects our ability to make correct decisions.

Give the man a meeting with no tea and scones to explain his side and let's move on. There are far more serious infringements happening within GA on a daily basis.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by cage » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:08 pm

Darren wrote:
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However his claim of not being in the wrong at all, as expressed to Erika Gibson for her article, should not be accepted.
When Han Solo put his Millennium Falcon down on the taxiway, he was the first to put his hand up and say he stuffed up.
Take responsibility, learn, move on..

Can you also just arrive in a sterile environment like that with dangerous goods, ie a rifle, onboard?
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:44 pm

Filing a flight plan in Bloemfontein is OK, however if you don't activate it via radio contact with the local controller, Bloemfontein, it stays closed.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Mikemccrsa » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:47 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:44 pm
Filing a flight plan in Bloemfontein is OK, however if you don't activate it via radio contact with the local controller, Bloemfontein, it stays closed.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
Surely if the FP was not active ORT would not have cleared them in at all?
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:50 pm

Mikemccrsa wrote:
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Ugly Duckling wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:44 pm
Filing a flight plan in Bloemfontein is OK, however if you don't activate it via radio contact with the local controller, Bloemfontein, it stays closed.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
Surely if the FP was not active ORT would not have cleared them in at all?
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:56 pm

Also, I’m not sure you can ‘clear’ a weapon with customs officials in Bloemfontein. It’s not a port of entry is it? You’d have to clear your baggage again prior to boarding your flight from ORT.

(Has no bearing on the actual incident - I’m simply curious)
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Lood » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:28 pm

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Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:56 pm
Also, I’m not sure you can ‘clear’ a weapon with customs officials in Bloemfontein. It’s not a port of entry is it? You’d have to clear your baggage again prior to boarding your flight from ORT.

(Has no bearing on the actual incident - I’m simply curious)
Bloemfontein (Bram Fischer) is a port of entry.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by JCA » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:51 pm

cage wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:08 pm
Darren wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:52 am
However his claim of not being in the wrong at all, as expressed to Erika Gibson for her article, should not be accepted.
When Han Solo put his Millennium Falcon down on the taxiway, he was the first to put his hand up and say he stuffed up.
Take responsibility, learn, move on..

Can you also just arrive in a sterile environment like that with dangerous goods, ie a rifle, onboard?
Can't remember reading anything about a rifle. Or is this just hypothetical speculation?
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Darren » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:53 pm

JCA wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:51 pm

Can't remember reading anything about a rifle. Or is this just hypothetical speculation?
From Gibson's article:

Hy sê hy het vlugplanne ingedien en haar bagasie, ook ’n jaggeweer met al die nodige permitte, ingelaai met volle klaring van doeanebeamptes op die Bram Fischer-lughawe in Bloemfontein.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by tbone » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:56 am

Bloemfontein...

A chick-pilot-hunter...(tress)... walks into a bar, whaf her own gun

Wie gaan my n lift gee Jhoburg toe manne....

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ORTIA, will use 03 L for departures, and 03 R for arrivals, so if something smaller and slower arrive, they will clear them to 3L, not to upset the arrival sequence, therefore, left left... means 03L, not A taxiway.

ACSA has this all on solid state recordings, so called ‘tapes’, the pilot and his legal should get hold of this, cause the lynch mob, right or wrong, will base everything off that ATC ‘cleared to land’ instruction....
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by southside » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:32 am

I fly into ORT often in slow aircraft and the majority of landings are assigned to 03R or 21L. ATC will only give us the closer runway for landing if it is not busy. The sequencing is planned long before you get handed over to tower . It starts with Area and then Radar.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by PJL » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:04 am

southside wrote:
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The sequencing is planned long before you get handed over to tower . It starts with Area and then Radar.
Planning should start long before you start up your aerie!!!

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Unread post by southside » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:10 am

I am referring to ATC's planning for sequence...not the pilots planning....
For a pilots planning, it also doesn't have to be long before departure. If you are used to doing it, a flight plan can be filed,weight and balance done, ctot arranged, notams and weather checked withing 10 mintues before walking out to the aeroplane.
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Re: RV landing on ORT TWY A..... dodge a Bus

Unread post by Hunter » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:40 pm

Mrb13676 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:56 pm
Also, I’m not sure you can ‘clear’ a weapon with customs officials in Bloemfontein. It’s not a port of entry is it? You’d have to clear your baggage again prior to boarding your flight from ORT.

(Has no bearing on the actual incident - I’m simply curious)
I was told that when flying with firearms to / from ports of entry, even for a domestic flight, firearms will need to be cleared. I had a bit of an argument at Upington last year when flying in from Eagle's Creek with a Cherokee full of guns for a hunting trip. My argument was private plane, private flight, private guns, local departure with local destination, but a very serious local police officer explained the rules to me and I complied. Process took more than an hour though .... I could not find any publicized regulations to this effect and actually forgot about researching the reg, till reading this thread now. Any one care to comment on that please ?
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