EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

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EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by GeraldNagel » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:20 am

It is amazing/shocking to see the various accidents on this facebook site.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Bearcat » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:24 am

No doubt there was no power .. the prop is about the only thing with hardly any damage :shock:
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:35 am

GeraldNagel wrote:
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It is amazing/shocking to see the various accidents on this facebook site.
A real eye opener to see what is happening around the world on a daily basis :shock:
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Diesel-3 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:52 pm

Looking at some more photos of this accident scene on another site, it looks like this pic was taken after the Cub was cut up to free the occupants. In some of the pics, cutting equipment is visible.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:57 pm

Diesel-3 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:52 pm
Looking at some more photos of this accident scene on another site, it looks like this pic was taken after the Cub was cut up to free the occupants. In some of the pics, cutting equipment is visible.
Share them if possible to set the record straight.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:23 pm

I have no idea what happened here, but IF this guy spun while trying to turn back to the runway following an EFATO, then I hope all those who have been bragging that THEY can do the "impossible" turn reflect on the wisdom of their actions.

Yes, it is possible under specific conditions of aircraft type and runway length - particularly if you have been PRACTICING, and are PREPARED. But, because these conditions seldom apply, and the consequence of getting it wrong is certain death, it is extremely dangerous and irresponsible to promote a turn back as a possibility. I believe that those who who brag about their own exploits and successes should reflect on what they are putting in the minds of less experienced pilots.

And while I am moaning about this whole EFDATO thing, who on earth advocated a maximum of a 40 degrees either way for choosing your field? You should be taught to go for the BEST AVAILABLE field. It may be only 10 degrees off the nose, but if a good field at 90 degrees, and it is AVAILABLE, from your altitude and airspeed, are you really going to ignore it because it falls outside someone's arbitrary 40 degree limit? This is a common sense thing.

Rant over!!! Sorry, I get seriously pi$$ed off by folks who give dangerous, or silly advice.

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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Walter105 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:40 pm

Geez...Cubs always look so docile...goes to show you can get yourself killed in a Cub too.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by JoziFlyer » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 am

Tragic outcome. One can only hope to do better if/when your day comes...

Good reminder to stay humble and expect the worst. Every takeoff could be your last.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Volo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:23 am

To my mind the real killer in the Efato turn is that the approaching ground imagery . I believe it overwhelms the senses and takes away the ability to recognize the impending stall and spin .
I witnessed an aircraft avoid the stall and spin by straightening up and crashing in to open veld without injury to himself . He related to me afterwards to me how difficult it was to do that but it undoubtedly saved his life .
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by mnmodels » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:45 am

Volo wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:23 am
To my mind the real killer in the Efato turn is that the approaching ground imagery . I believe it overwhelms the senses and takes away the ability to recognize the impending stall and spin .
I witnessed an aircraft avoid the stall and spin by straightening up and crashing in to open veld without injury to himself . He related to me afterwards to me how difficult it was to do that but it undoubtedly saved his life .
Agree 100%. It is a mind over matter. Approaching terrain will force your mind to pull up and you will keep stalling until too late....put the nose down and get speed up even if you crash level between objects your chances of survival will be better than a stall spin scenario...

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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by excolonial » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:52 pm

All this in an aircraft that can "just barely kill you". Very sad. Keep the wings level and fly it into the crash. Who knows how we will react to the same situation, it smacks of trying to save the machine to me.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Bugs » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:03 pm

GeraldNagel wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:20 am
It is amazing/shocking to see the various accidents on this facebook site.
If the site you are referring too is the one run by a popular avaition magazine, then it is me doing the posts.
However I must point out the following facts:
1.) Whether we like it or not, accidents are a fact of life.
2.) Accidents teach others and hopefully ingrain in us that YES it can happen to me.
3.) Accidents make us all aware of the dangers, lessons and hopefully can save lives.
4.) Lastly, accidents do get the most views, followed by cartoons, jokes and laughs.
5.) There is a scroll button, so if you do not like a certain post, then scroll by.

We do appreciatte your input, and I have noticed that even AVCOM members repost many of our posts.
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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:43 pm

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Re: EFATO in a Cub: 2 Fatal

Unread post by GeraldNagel » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:28 pm

BUGS, jumping to conclusion.

I don't read aviation magazines. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks ugly duckling, for clearing it up leading him to the correct FB page.

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