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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by 2000andmore » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:07 am

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How does a bird create marks like these? Looks like a drone strike to me.
Those appear to be pulled rivets on the wing rib.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by maxim » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:39 am

That looks more like bird damage, I had similar damage after a bird strike in Zim a few years ago.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by richard C » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:41 am

Maybe the pilot caught sight of the drone ? There would be no reason he would assume it was a drone without having seen it - like 95 % of other pilots, he would have no doubt assumed he hit a bird.

Definitely not a pole.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by Danie54 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:15 pm

Drones being flown for security purposes (ie commercially operated) may not fly within 10km of an active airfield so I highly doubt they would do that and risk losing their ROC.

You can get permission to fly within 10km of an airfield.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by Goffel » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:49 pm

That definitely is not from a drone....in fact to me, it looks more like hanger rash with someone using a "drone story" to get out of the dwang.

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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by JacoS » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:12 pm

340 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:03 am
How does a bird create marks like these? Looks like a drone strike to me.
Those are rivets.

Edit: I see 2000 beat me to it.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by Airlou » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:33 pm

No Blood No Guts - No Bird
It seems like blunt and sharp edges marks and dents
Looks like tipped over scaffolding to me...
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by daveross » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:37 pm

I am not a Rocket Scientist, agree with Goffel, hit some stationary object !
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by richard C » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:08 pm

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I am not a Rocket Scientist, agree with Goffel, hit some stationary object !
Okay, I'll bite.

You are effectively accusing the pilot of a criminal offense (fraud - lying about the cause of an accident), so it is a serious thing to say - and indeed, a strong thing to say.

Do you have information that we don't - do you know the pilot and he has a history of dissembling in order avoid responsibility ?

Have you seen the aircraft first-hand, and clearly it is damage that does not fit with the story ?

Or are you making a presumption from the same photo I am, but are able to see that this is damage caused by a ground based incident, and unlikely to be a drone ?

What motivates you to insist that the pilot is lying ? Just seems like an excessively harsh assertion if you have no more information than we do. On Avcom, a pilots forum, do we not start by giving the pilot the benefit of the doubt - or is it a place where we can nudge each other under the train ? Based on what, exactly ? And failing that, why ?
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by nomie » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:18 pm

Huh. Nowhere in the thread was it claimed the pilot said the plane was hit by a drone?
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by JacoS » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:00 pm

Airlou wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:33 pm
No Blood No Guts - No Bird
It seems like blunt and sharp edges marks and dents
Looks like tipped over scaffolding to me...
Looks like that part was cleaned off. Look at the rest of the leading edge compared to the dented part.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by Goffel » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:04 pm

Richard C.....Your horse is a bit high......At all times, (OK most times), most people speculate, whether an aircraft has run out of fuel to spinning in...are we insinuating the pilot criminally flew without fuel....nope...speculation.

Now the pilot that hit the drone, he obviously made this claim on Avcom....(I just cant find the post where he says that...can you).

The person that speculated that the pilot could have hit a bird, is he too calling the pilot a "liar..fraud" or anything else...nope, he is speculating.

My speculation that the damage looks like hanger rash...a pole maybe.... the hanger door.....(I suppose confession time at the same time as speculation time......To the PMB safety officer that I too said I hit a bird in the C172, (creating a very similar looking damage)...well truth be told....i hit the hanger door whilst pushing the aircraft out the hanger.....(42 years ago).

So I suppose i do have some experience in that department.......by the way, i do have a video of a phantom going thru a safety glass window...

So yip....until the pilot puts pen to paper in a "certified" statement....me and others will speculate.

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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by Raffles » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:55 pm

Surely the report should be published on the CAA website, if it was claimed this was a collision with a drone, it falls into the accident category given the damage and risk to life? Obviously a preliminary report has a 30 day window in which to be published. Then we can see what claims the pilot made.
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by richard C » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:02 am

Goffel wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:04 pm
Richard C.....Your horse is a bit high......At all times, (OK most times), most people speculate, whether an aircraft has run out of fuel to spinning in...are we insinuating the pilot criminally flew without fuel....nope...speculation.

Now the pilot that hit the drone, he obviously made this claim on Avcom....(I just cant find the post where he says that...can you).

The person that speculated that the pilot could have hit a bird, is he too calling the pilot a "liar..fraud" or anything else...nope, he is speculating.

My speculation that the damage looks like hanger rash...a pole maybe.... the hanger door.....(I suppose confession time at the same time as speculation time......To the PMB safety officer that I too said I hit a bird in the C172, (creating a very similar looking damage)...well truth be told....i hit the hanger door whilst pushing the aircraft out the hanger.....(42 years ago).

So I suppose i do have some experience in that department.......by the way, i do have a video of a phantom going thru a safety glass window...

So yip....until the pilot puts pen to paper in a "certified" statement....me and others will speculate.

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The title of the thread is "Drone Strike at FAGM", so I assume that is how the event was reported to the person who posted the thread.

Okay, so following your logic:

If he knew he hit a bird he would not have to cover his tracks - he would have just said so.

If he dinged the aircraft putting it back in the hanger - ummm - would it occur to him to say it was a drone strike ? Why not a bird strike ? Calling it a drone strike is going to lead to some intensive investigation - seems like a precarious path of deceit to undertake. In fact, it seems like a highly UNLIKELY path of deceit to go after.

Also, dinging a hanger door is likely to attract witnesses, and possibly. security camera footage.

So far, there is no logical reason for the pilot to lie, or chose the lie he did.

If he hit something in the air without knowing what it was - he would have said that he had a strike - unidentified. He would not have been specific about a fact he could not be specific about. I am not excluding the possibility that he lied, I am saying it is a highly unsuitable and risky lie to chose, if he did.

Speculation I get - there is a possibility he lied, and that can be 'put on the table'. But speculation is normally formulated by some path or event or history that would merit it - so again - do you guys know something we don't ?

*dismounts horse*
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Re: Drone Strike at FAGM

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:30 am

.....why I go bird strike, excuse the "art" da Vinci insist on this
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