Icon A5 crash
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Looked slow and like a disaster long before he even attempted takeoff.....
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Definitely not the only one. As he turned and powered up, I looked at the shore and trees and immediately reached for my imaginary throttle to pull back to idle. That takeoff was never going to go well.
Does the over-controlling not speak to a weigh and balance problem too?
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Re: Icon A5 crash
We must take into account the foreshortening caused by a zoom lens. But still, I was groping for an imaginary throttle to retard.
He also seemed to give up the opportunity of flying through the gap and choose to turn towards the taller trees before acquiring sufficient flying speed. I think he had decided his route before getting airborne, and when it took him further to actually get airborne than he had expected, he did not change his mind where he wanted to go even though clearly he was no longer going to be able to keep his turn over water.
He also seemed to give up the opportunity of flying through the gap and choose to turn towards the taller trees before acquiring sufficient flying speed. I think he had decided his route before getting airborne, and when it took him further to actually get airborne than he had expected, he did not change his mind where he wanted to go even though clearly he was no longer going to be able to keep his turn over water.
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Re: Icon A5 crash
clearly stalled and possibly overweight as well
pity it's another Icon
pity it's another Icon
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Citing cost increases for cutting workforce by 40%
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Appears he was overweight and out of W+B envelope. Also seems to be a case of sales-itis as there were three failed take-off attempts.
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... L&IType=LA
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... L&IType=LA
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Sheez - we just make this too easy for the lawyers. If I was that potential buyer, I would seriously be going after Icon.
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My my, that makes pretty sobering reading. I am surprised the pax did not tell him to put it away after the first few failed take offs. Crazy.
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Re: Icon A5 crash
In the NTSB report the PIc and the passenger seemed to be on different aircraft! 1 vs 3 takeoff attempts.
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Re: Icon A5 crash
The thing that really bothers me about this crash is that an experienced pilot made multiple bad judgement calls even before the crash take off. Surely the alarm bells were clanging loudly in his head. I just don't get it.
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Re: Icon A5 crash
This goes hand in hand with what I said about ICON marketing - not sure if it was this thread or another A5 accident thread. The average A5 client is not a stick n rudder kinda guy experienced enough to make those calls.excolonial wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:19 pmI am surprised the pax did not tell him to put it away after the first few failed take offs. Crazy.
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Not impressed by this machine. Very poor VFM. There are similar performing amphibs for 30% of the price. Less plush, but man oh man this is a hefty price for a 2 seat machine, even if it is clad in leather.
My brother met the founder, a fantastic guy by all accounts, but perhaps a bit of a style over substance type.....
My brother met the founder, a fantastic guy by all accounts, but perhaps a bit of a style over substance type.....
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Re: Icon A5 crash
Characteristically these pusher configurations all seem to fall short when it comes to overall performance - they look good but that's about all !!