Icon A5 crash

What your instructor never taught you. Continuing your education and learning from others. Flight safety topics and accident/incident discussions.

Moderator: Moderators

love2fly
Lining Up
Posts: 112
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:47 am
Closest Airfield: Lanseria
Location: Johannesburg
Has liked: 4 times
Been liked: 7 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by love2fly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:36 pm

Looked slow and like a disaster long before he even attempted takeoff.....
These users liked the author love2fly for the post:
jimdavis
Kibim
ATC Delay
Posts: 115
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:42 pm
Closest Airfield: FAOI
Location: Johanessburg
Has liked: 10 times
Been liked: 17 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Kibim » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:23 pm

Kortbroek wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:11 pm
Am I the only thinking he also didn't use all the "runway" available to him? Looks like he started his takeoff from somewhere in the middle of the lake?
Definitely not the only one. As he turned and powered up, I looked at the shore and trees and immediately reached for my imaginary throttle to pull back to idle. That takeoff was never going to go well.

Does the over-controlling not speak to a weigh and balance problem too?
Brendan Marsay
ZS-OEM : Grob 109
User avatar
richard C
8000 Tousand
8000 Tousand
Posts: 8884
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:02 pm
Closest Airfield: FAGM
Location: Joeys
Has liked: 159 times
Been liked: 148 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by richard C » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:37 am

We must take into account the foreshortening caused by a zoom lens. But still, I was groping for an imaginary throttle to retard.

He also seemed to give up the opportunity of flying through the gap and choose to turn towards the taller trees before acquiring sufficient flying speed. I think he had decided his route before getting airborne, and when it took him further to actually get airborne than he had expected, he did not change his mind where he wanted to go even though clearly he was no longer going to be able to keep his turn over water.
Grant all equity and dignity.
Monzeglio Cook + Gibson Architects
User avatar
fvheerden
Avionics Master On
Posts: 66
Joined: Fri May 02, 2014 9:05 am
Closest Airfield: Bapsfontein
Location: Pretoria
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 0

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by fvheerden » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:51 am

clearly stalled and possibly overweight as well
pity it's another Icon
FvHeerden

0823178147
Irene Radio Flyers
User avatar
Ugly Duckling
Six Tousand
Six Tousand
Posts: 6500
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:24 pm
Closest Airfield: Brakpan Benoni FABB
Location: Waterkloof
Has liked: 417 times
Been liked: 315 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:22 am

Citing cost increases for cutting workforce by 40%
http://aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news ... -workforce
Paul Sabatier EAA Ch 575, SSSA, ERGC, ERFC, AeroClub
Long time Cygnet builder
The object is to fly, it does not matter what the object is!
Still_Learning
Tripped over wheel chock
Posts: 28
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:51 pm
Has liked: 14 times
Been liked: 4 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Still_Learning » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:35 pm

Appears he was overweight and out of W+B envelope. Also seems to be a case of sales-itis as there were three failed take-off attempts.

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... L&IType=LA
User avatar
richard C
8000 Tousand
8000 Tousand
Posts: 8884
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:02 pm
Closest Airfield: FAGM
Location: Joeys
Has liked: 159 times
Been liked: 148 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by richard C » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:46 pm

Sheez - we just make this too easy for the lawyers. If I was that potential buyer, I would seriously be going after Icon.
Grant all equity and dignity.
Monzeglio Cook + Gibson Architects
excolonial
Too Tousand
Too Tousand
Posts: 2076
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:09 pm
Closest Airfield: komani
Location: East Jalalabad on the Straits.
Has liked: 198 times
Been liked: 67 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by excolonial » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:19 pm

My my, that makes pretty sobering reading. I am surprised the pax did not tell him to put it away after the first few failed take offs. Crazy.
The older I get, the more I am convinced that "A Confederacy of Dunces" is non fiction.
Grog
Aircraft in Hangar
Posts: 16
Joined: Mon May 23, 2011 11:59 am
Location: North Coast
Has liked: 2 times
Been liked: 0

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Grog » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:27 pm

In the NTSB report the PIc and the passenger seemed to be on different aircraft! 1 vs 3 takeoff attempts.
excolonial
Too Tousand
Too Tousand
Posts: 2076
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:09 pm
Closest Airfield: komani
Location: East Jalalabad on the Straits.
Has liked: 198 times
Been liked: 67 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by excolonial » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:51 am

The thing that really bothers me about this crash is that an experienced pilot made multiple bad judgement calls even before the crash take off. Surely the alarm bells were clanging loudly in his head. I just don't get it.
The older I get, the more I am convinced that "A Confederacy of Dunces" is non fiction.
User avatar
Sideslip
Fife Thousand feet
Fife Thousand feet
Posts: 5092
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:39 pm
Closest Airfield: Springs
Location: Gauteng
Has liked: 3 times
Been liked: 37 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Sideslip » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:31 pm

excolonial wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:19 pm
I am surprised the pax did not tell him to put it away after the first few failed take offs. Crazy.
This goes hand in hand with what I said about ICON marketing - not sure if it was this thread or another A5 accident thread. The average A5 client is not a stick n rudder kinda guy experienced enough to make those calls.
These users liked the author Sideslip for the post:
excolonial
Mike Gill
excolonial
Too Tousand
Too Tousand
Posts: 2076
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:09 pm
Closest Airfield: komani
Location: East Jalalabad on the Straits.
Has liked: 198 times
Been liked: 67 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by excolonial » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 am

Not impressed by this machine. Very poor VFM. There are similar performing amphibs for 30% of the price. Less plush, but man oh man this is a hefty price for a 2 seat machine, even if it is clad in leather.

My brother met the founder, a fantastic guy by all accounts, but perhaps a bit of a style over substance type.....
The older I get, the more I am convinced that "A Confederacy of Dunces" is non fiction.
Volo
1k poster
1k poster
Posts: 1549
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:39 pm
Closest Airfield: FAOR
Location: Kempton Park
Has liked: 59 times
Been liked: 93 times

Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Volo » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:46 pm

Characteristically these pusher configurations all seem to fall short when it comes to overall performance - they look good but that's about all !!

Return to “Academy & Flight Safety”