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SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Selfloader » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:01 pm

Is this the end of an honorable era or just scare mongering?

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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:25 pm

If the big wigs, who occupy the presidency, would think before opening their mouths and consider what their utterances have done to the exchange rate then the whole economy would be in a favourable position including the SAAF who have to send big chunks of cash overseas.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Flyman » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:26 pm

Who has what plans with SAAF assets.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by MadMacs » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 am

If I were him, the next vvip flight that comes up, I'd say "sorry no can do".
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Walter105 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:54 am

MadMacs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 am
If I were him, the next vvip flight that comes up, I'd say "sorry no can do".
They did that...a lot. Govt then just shrugs its collective shoulders and charters a private plane at ridculous cost.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Deanw » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:33 am

Walter105 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:54 am
MadMacs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 am
If I were him, the next vvip flight that comes up, I'd say "sorry no can do".
They did that...a lot. Govt then just shrugs its collective shoulders and charters a private plane at ridculous cost.
Negative, the SAAF never refused to fly any VVIP. Pres Zuma refused to fly on the BBJ (or other SAAF aircraft), but the SAAF has always been willing, apart from when the BBJ was undergoing scheduled routine maintenance. Pres Ramaphosa currently flies the BBJ.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Induna » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:39 am

Deanw wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:33 am
Walter105 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:54 am
MadMacs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 am
If I were him, the next vvip flight that comes up, I'd say "sorry no can do".
They did that...a lot. Govt then just shrugs its collective shoulders and charters a private plane at ridculous cost.
Negative, the SAAF never refused to fly any VVIP. Pres Zuma refused to fly on the BBJ (or other SAAF aircraft), but the SAAF has always been willing, apart from when the BBJ was undergoing scheduled routine maintenance. Pres Ramaphosa currently flies the BBJ.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Walter105 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:44 am

Deanw wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:33 am
Walter105 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:54 am
MadMacs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 am
If I were him, the next vvip flight that comes up, I'd say "sorry no can do".
They did that...a lot. Govt then just shrugs its collective shoulders and charters a private plane at ridculous cost.
Negative, the SAAF never refused to fly any VVIP. Pres Zuma refused to fly on the BBJ (or other SAAF aircraft), but the SAAF has always been willing, apart from when the BBJ was undergoing scheduled routine maintenance. Pres Ramaphosa currently flies the BBJ.
Dean as far as I am aware there have been instances where VIP flights were declined due to aircraft availability or serviceability issues. Not point blanked refused...but refused due to operational reasons thus.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by Darren » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:57 pm

Walter105 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:44 am
Deanw wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:33 am
Walter105 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:54 am


They did that...a lot. Govt then just shrugs its collective shoulders and charters a private plane at ridculous cost.
Negative, the SAAF never refused to fly any VVIP. Pres Zuma refused to fly on the BBJ (or other SAAF aircraft), but the SAAF has always been willing, apart from when the BBJ was undergoing scheduled routine maintenance. Pres Ramaphosa currently flies the BBJ.
Dean as far as I am aware there have been instances where VIP flights were declined due to aircraft availability or serviceability issues. Not point blanked refused...but refused due to operational reasons thus.
That's correct, but in those instances it's then the SAAF's duty to source another aircraft to carry out the task, usually through the use of a private charter from SAA or via the RT61 process.

The SAAF is not permitted to refuse outright.

With regard to the broader story, this should come as no surprise to anyone. Some of us have been warning about the looming consequences of the mismatch between the mandated tasks the SANDF is required to perform and the funding actually allocated to it, and saying that we'd reach an inflection point before long. This is that point.

Sure there are still some efficiencies to be wrought from the organisation and there are too many senior officers for the force size, but fixing that won't come anywhere close to closing the gap. The simple fact of the matter is that R7 billion is not nearly enough money on which to run a modern air force that can conduct air defence, long-range maritime patrol, search and rescue, and so forth at the scale we demand. Something has to give, and without more funding that is going to mean a loss of capabilities and a reduction in force size.

It's easy to forget that the SAAF of the 1980s and even of the 1990s operated on a much, much larger budget than the SAAF of today. For instance if you take into account inflation, the cost of fuel and spares, personnel, and so forth, the SAAF in 1999/2000 had roughly twice the operational budget of the SAAF today.
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by JohnnyJet » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:38 pm

MadMacs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 am
If I were him, the next vvip flight that comes up, I'd say "sorry no can do".
They would just go charter at the expense of the taxpayer, and enrich foreign charter bosses. 8-[
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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by ERNIE » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:24 pm

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Re: SAAF on the way out?

Unread post by homebuilt » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:34 pm

WOW! Thanks for sharing. Now that brings back memories.

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