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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by paulw » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:08 pm

heisan wrote:
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Yet again leadership in many African countries show their true colours, all about lining their own pockets than looking after their people... and people wonder why no one believes the lockdowns are well intentioned...
Not a bad deal imo. It depends on the make but a good scoot can set you back more than R110k+ easy. That's without equipment. Not sure what the role of the scooters are?..
This looks like the same model. Definitely the same branding:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 38637.html

USD 1000 each with free shipping. Most government contracts require a full 2 years of support/maintenance/logistics included, so unit cost to the supplier will likely be around R40k each.

But...wasn't this manufactured somewhere in the Eastern Cape? Thought government or someone said so....or maybe just assembled

This health minister said it is very innovative. I believe him. He said so. Watch video.

https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/easte ... -covid-19/



But wait....wasn't this used in 1915 already?
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by heisan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:21 pm

Not much, but it is something... Helps marginally in severe cases only:

https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/low- ... f-covid-19
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Falafel » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 am

heisan wrote:
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Not much, but it is something... Helps marginally in severe cases only:

https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/low- ... f-covid-19
When you consider the figures and potential deaths that you have been going on about (in the millions), your comment says much about how you view the situation, you are definitely a glass half empty person:
Dexamethasone reduced deaths by one-third in ventilated patients (rate ratio 0.65 [95% confidence interval 0.48 to 0.88]; p=0.0003) and by one fifth in other patients receiving oxygen only (0.80 [0.67 to 0.96]; p=0.0021).
So for a million patients on oxygen that would mean 200 000 lives saved and then only 800 000 go through to ventilators, this drug would save 275 000 of those lives (yes I know not exactly as some go directly through to ventilators bypassing the oxygen phase, but thats around 475 000 lives saved PER MILLION, so lets be pessimistic shall we and say perhaps at a minimum around 25% of lives saved from either oxygen or ventilation (conservative). 287 000 lives, and you say not much :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o that just took the fatality rates of Covid down a bit dont you think :!:

Most of the negative press are saying its a treatment breakthrough which it is... come on Heisan come off the pessimistic horse a little :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: Starting to lose credibility now (ok to be honest its been happening for awhile but this might be the reason?)

Bear in mind only around 2-5% (depending on who is posting) of patients get really sick (of those infected), this is a big breakthrough and the steriod is around $5 for the treatment, and readily available :!: :!: :!:
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by heisan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:19 am

Well, I did post it here because it was good news - being the first effective treatment, but:
Overall dexamethasone reduced the 28-day mortality rate by 17% (0.83 [0.74 to 0.92]; P=0.0007) with a highly significant trend showing greatest benefit among those patients requiring ventilation (test for trend p<0.001). But it is important to recognise that we found no evidence of benefit for patients who did not require oxygen and we did not study patients outside the hospital setting. Follow-up is complete for over 94% of participants.
It is far from a cure. In fact, for countries with limited health care, Remdesivir could still save more lives - even though it makes no direct difference to mortality, the effective increase in ICU capacity will help a lot.
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by Falafel » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:23 am

heisan wrote:
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Well, I did post it here because it was good news - being the first effective treatment, but:
Overall dexamethasone reduced the 28-day mortality rate by 17% (0.83 [0.74 to 0.92]; P=0.0007) with a highly significant trend showing greatest benefit among those patients requiring ventilation (test for trend p<0.001). But it is important to recognise that we found no evidence of benefit for patients who did not require oxygen and we did not study patients outside the hospital setting. Follow-up is complete for over 94% of participants.
It is far from a cure. In fact, for countries with limited health care, Remdesivir could still save more lives - even though it makes no direct difference to mortality, the effective increase in ICU capacity will help a lot.
No-one said it was a cure :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Most countries have oxygen Heisan and this is produced locally in SA... it affects the mortality rates which will by default affect the severity of the virus...

Its called progress... nothing more and nothing less... possible we might never find a cure, but then we live with Cancer/HIV/Common cold and others without a cure right :?:

Please inform the powers that be that we should have been more pleased with Remdesivir... perhaps they are missing something :!: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by paulw » Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:03 am

Came across this while watching Youtube sailors.

Very interesting Blog of the couple in their 50-60's who circumnavigate the world in their yacht (them both together)
In short, he was in Cape Town 40 years ago and always talked about it and how wonderful it was.
So circumnavigating the world, around SA, and got the COVID-19 just as they arrived in western cape.

The blog entries explained not just what happened, but also some detail the doctor told his wife on the virus and how the virus go about in a body, treatment in South Africa versus USA (apparently if you are over 65, you do get placed on a ventilator in USA) He was late 60's
EDIT: (apparently if you are over 65, you don't get placed on a ventilator in USA) He was late 60's

http://whereisbrickhouse.com/ Blog with some videos on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC7DRv ... A8w/videos YouTube channel

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/outdoo ... r-BB15lUld Good guys gone article
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Re: Corona Virus

Unread post by GoneMissed » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:37 pm

The Great Influenza is a pretty good read.



I think Covid is definitely not the Spanish Flu nor do I think it should be taken lightly. After having read this book, some of my confirmation biases changed (At first, I was very skeptical of The Rona). I am all for taking some easy common sense precautions while not destroying the worlds economy. These are not mutually exclusive IMHO.
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Unread post by AnAV8R » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:21 pm

Just putting this out there, got popcorn and wondering how people interpret this?

The High court ruled the Lockdown unconstitutional, and gave 2 weeks for the government to sort it out and make rectifications.
I haven't heard of any rectifications that re-instates my constitutional rights?
2 weeks have passed.....
Apparently there was an appeal but this was against the time line imposed and not against the ruling?
Curious to hear whats happening about this, I'm not a legal boffin.... :roll:
Clarify me please :?:
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Re: Lockdown over?

Unread post by fairy flycatcher » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:50 pm

AnAV8R wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:21 pm
Just putting this out there, got popcorn and wondering how people interpret this?

The High court ruled the Lockdown unconstitutional, and gave 2 weeks for the government to sort it out and make rectifications.
I haven't heard of any rectifications that re-instates my constitutional rights?
2 weeks have passed.....
Apparently there was an appeal but this was against the time line imposed and not against the ruling?
Curious to hear whats happening about this, I'm not a legal boffin.... :roll:
Clarify me please :?:
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Re: Corona Virus

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Unread post by paulw » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:09 pm

Government Gazette
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http://www.cogta.gov.za/cgta_2016/wp-co ... _Cogta.pdf

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Unread post by fairy flycatcher » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:58 pm

"According to empirical analysis of mortality data in England and Wales during the period 13th March 2020 to 29th May, it is possible to conclude that as many as 20,000 unexpected deaths have been caused by the UK government’s policy response to the SAR-CoV-2 virus."

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