Corona Virus

[heisan]

"According to empirical analysis of mortality data in England and Wales during the period 13th March 2020 to 29th May, it is possible to conclude that as many as 20,000 unexpected deaths have been caused by the UK government’s policy response to the SAR-CoV-2 virus."

https://principia-scientific.org/the-co ... -covid-19/

That is a particularly poor article, even by Principia-Scientific's standards. No attempt at all to actually attribute those excess deaths - only imply that they are mostly due to Covid responses. But no attempt to correlate the death rate to specific responses (strangely though, it correlates very well with the rate of Covid deaths). Also only a passing reference to the fact that most of the excess deaths are in care homes, where most deaths are attributed to 'natural causes' unless there is a clear other cause... I think we can all make a good educated guess as to what that 'natural cause' was.

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Do people returning from say USA get placed under quarantine or self isolation upon arrival in south Africa?

[heisan]

Do people returning from say USA get placed under quarantine or self isolation upon arrival in south Africa?

14 days. With the option of paying for a test after 5 days, potentially being released on the 6th day (if negative).

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Were are they quarantined?

[heisan]

Were are they quarantined?

Yes. Restricted to a room in a hotel in Sandton. At the state's expense, surprisingly.

[Falafel]

Were are they quarantined?

Yes. Restricted to a room in a hotel in Sandton. At the state's expense, surprisingly.

...and yet people in the Eastern Cape are doubling up on bed pans... yet another sign of total incompetence with this lot

[Whirly]

Were are they quarantined?

Yes. Restricted to a room in a hotel in Sandton. At the state's expense, surprisingly.

Was there not a recent case made in court and judgement handed down that the State could not force you to quarantine in one of their facilities but that you were allowed to self quarantine at home? Why do I seem to remember something like that?

Whirly.

[heisan]

Were are they quarantined?

Yes. Restricted to a room in a hotel in Sandton. At the state's expense, surprisingly.

Was there not a recent case made in court and judgement handed down that the State could not force you to quarantine in one of their facilities but that you were allowed to self quarantine at home? Why do I seem to remember something like that?

Whirly.

That was specifically for positive/screened cases within South Africa. I don't think anyone has challenged the repatriation quarantine yet.

[b-rad]

Were are they quarantined?

Yes. Restricted to a room in a hotel in Sandton. At the state's expense, surprisingly.

Taxpayers expense

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https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/wi ... li-mkhize/

[GERMAN]

https://www.libertyfighters.co.za/anti-lockdown/

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https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new- ... -whos-3-4/

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[heisan]

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There are some extended discussions on both these stories if you dig back through this thread to the dates when these stories were actually published.

There are also some proper articles discussing the actual reasons and effects of mixing PCR and serology tests if you want some proper information, rather that this emotional but completely contentless rant.

[Mfezi]

WHO discontinues hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir treatment arms for COVID-19
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/04 ... r-covid-19

4 July 2020 News release

WHO today accepted the recommendation from the Solidarity Trial’s International Steering Committee to discontinue the trial’s hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir arms. The Solidarity Trial was established by WHO to find an effective COVID-19 treatment for hospitalized patients.

The International Steering Committee formulated the recommendation in light of the evidence for hydroxychloroquine vs standard-of-care and for lopinavir/ritonavir vs standard-of-care from the Solidarity trial interim results, and from a review of the evidence from all trials presented at the 1-2 July WHO Summit on COVID-19 research and innovation.

These interim trial results show that hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir/ritonavir produce little or no reduction in the mortality of hospitalized COVID-19 patients when compared to standard of care. Solidarity trial investigators will interrupt the trials with immediate effect.

For each of the drugs, the interim results do not provide solid evidence of increased mortality. There were, however, some associated safety signals in the clinical laboratory findings of the add-on Discovery trial, a participant in the Solidarity trial. These will also be reported in the peer-reviewed publication.

This decision applies only to the conduct of the Solidarity trial in hospitalized patients and does not affect the possible evaluation in other studies of hydroxychloroquine or lopinavir/ritonavir in non-hospitalized patients or as pre- or post-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19. The interim Solidarity results are now being readied for peer-reviewed publication.