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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by Tim » Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:13 pm

FAGC R24.67/lt incl VAT
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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by Shallowpig » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:54 am

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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by darryltarr » Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:33 am

Several times a year I do some GA flying out of North Perry Airport - KWHO (also known as Hollywood North, hence the HWO), situated about 20 miles north of Miami International. The avgas prices there are $4.90 per USG.

That works out to be $1.29 a litre (4.9/3.7854), which equates to R 19.42 per litre (using today's exchange rate of 15 to 1).

So our avgas prices are comparable, at least we're not being ripped off, although it is unfortunate that some airports (FAGC, FAVG) do exaggerate the prices.


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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by flysouth » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:29 pm

darryltarr wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:33 am
Several times a year I do some GA flying out of North Perry Airport - KWHO (also known as Hollywood North, hence the HWO), situated about 20 miles north of Miami International. The avgas prices there are $4.90 per USG.

That works out to be $1.29 a litre (4.9/3.7854), which equates to R 19.42 per litre (using today's exchange rate of 15 to 1).

So our avgas prices are comparable, at least we're not being ripped off, although it is unfortunate that some airports (FAGC, FAVG) do exaggerate the prices.


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I think the difference is how much of that is tax, levies etc. I suspect rather less of that burden in the US!
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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by Goldfinger » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm

I was led to believe that ICAO treaty forbids Government Taxes to levied on AVGAS and JET A1.
If I am correct then I would love to know the breakdown of AVGAS..
It Seems it jumps in price in Tandem with Normal Unleaded Fuel prices.
How often do we import AVGAS into South Africa ? as I believe the refinery that was producing AVGAS closed down.
So I feel that Airports such FAGC are just taking advantage of international crude prices to increase their prices, on fuel that they already have.
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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by opsmike » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:52 am

Goldfinger wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm
I was led to believe that ICAO treaty forbids Government Taxes to levied on AVGAS and JET A1.
If I am correct then I would love to know the breakdown of AVGAS..
It Seems it jumps in price in Tandem with Normal Unleaded Fuel prices.
How often do we import AVGAS into South Africa ? as I believe the refinery that was producing AVGAS closed down.
So I feel that Airports such FAGC are just taking advantage of international crude prices to increase their prices, on fuel that they already have.
It goes the other way when the fuel price drops then FAGC could be sitting with a tank full of AVGAS that it now has to sell at a loss
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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by Segg » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:08 pm

opsmike wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:52 am
Goldfinger wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm
I was led to believe that ICAO treaty forbids Government Taxes to levied on AVGAS and JET A1.
If I am correct then I would love to know the breakdown of AVGAS..
It Seems it jumps in price in Tandem with Normal Unleaded Fuel prices.
How often do we import AVGAS into South Africa ? as I believe the refinery that was producing AVGAS closed down.
So I feel that Airports such FAGC are just taking advantage of international crude prices to increase their prices, on fuel that they already have.
It goes the other way when the fuel price drops then FAGC could be sitting with a tank full of AVGAS that it now has to sell at a loss
I was under the impression that the airports purchase their fuels at almost 50% of what they end up charging, due to the bulk rates suppliers offer. I recall being told a specific depot purchased 60KL of Avgas for roughly R11/L including transport etc to their depot.

They were charging +- R19/L retail

Or are the margins way tighter than I was lead to believe?
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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by opsmike » Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:38 pm

Segg wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:08 pm
opsmike wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:52 am
Goldfinger wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm
I was led to believe that ICAO treaty forbids Government Taxes to levied on AVGAS and JET A1.
If I am correct then I would love to know the breakdown of AVGAS..
It Seems it jumps in price in Tandem with Normal Unleaded Fuel prices.
How often do we import AVGAS into South Africa ? as I believe the refinery that was producing AVGAS closed down.
So I feel that Airports such FAGC are just taking advantage of international crude prices to increase their prices, on fuel that they already have.
It goes the other way when the fuel price drops then FAGC could be sitting with a tank full of AVGAS that it now has to sell at a loss
I was under the impression that the airports purchase their fuels at almost 50% of what they end up charging, due to the bulk rates suppliers offer. I recall being told a specific depot purchased 60KL of Avgas for roughly R11/L including transport etc to their depot.

They were charging +- R19/L retail

Or are the margins way tighter than I was lead to believe?
Hi

The margins are tighter, the price you pay the oil companies is negotiated and normally based on quantities purchased so it can differ from airport to airport by more than R2. Then you have to bring in your overheads, an airport like Lanseria fuel storage and handling has to comply to international standards as we supply fuel to foreign registered aircraft, this is called a JIG audit, and to comply is costly as the standard is high, then comes the HR cost as we are a 24hour airport the service must always be available, most time between 20h00 and 04h00 we make no sales yet we have staff on duty just in case, this must all be factored into the pump price add a small profit, we are a business, and you get to the final price. Smaller airports have much lower overheads so they could be cheaper than the larger airports depending on the business model, like no landing fees and add it to the fuel price, or landing and parking fees but lower fuel price etc

Hope i make sense

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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by Carel » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:34 pm

The fuelbay at Wonderboom owned by the Municipality?
Surely the tanks must get full of rust when not used for extended periods?
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Unread post by Iceberg » Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:01 pm

Carel wrote:
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The fuelbay at Wonderboom owned by the Municipality?
Surely the tanks must get full of rust when not used for extended periods?
Not been used for years. Only private suppliers now with bowsers.
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Unread post by Carel » Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:59 pm

Yes I know it was not used for years, but my question was if it can be used again or will the underground
tanks need to be replaced first?
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Unread post by Ray W » Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:52 am

Carel wrote:
Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:59 pm
Yes I know it was not used for years, but my question was if it can be used again or will the underground
tanks need to be replaced first?
They'll certainly need to be inspected for rust etc before use again and then if not rusted they'll have to be cleaned and possibly re-lined or if found to be rusted they'll have to be replaced - all in all a very expensive exercise.
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Re: Avgas prices

Unread post by Carel » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:14 am

It is pathetic that a "big" city airport like Wonderboom that wants to get International status back don't even have an operating fuel bay. #-o
No wonder our general aviation is struggling. I suspect that the workers for the fuel bay is still on the municipal payroll ?

A few years ago I remember having to wait in a queue on a Sunday afternoon to get Avgas at the fuel bay even with 3 pumps operated simultaneously and Thys complaining like always about how hard they have to work... :lol:
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Unread post by Segg » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:26 am

Meanwhile at FAGC :shock:
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Unread post by Jayson v Schalkwyk » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:29 am

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